Junkyard Engine?

[JesusTheAgnostic]

Hey guys does anybody know if any 1.4T out of any GM car will just bolt in? Like an engine out of a Cruze or a Trax, or an Encore. Or whatever else they've dropped one of these in.

Would is just bolt in?
Would my tunes still work?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think at some point they stopped making the block out of cast iron and switched to aluminum right? Would the older ones with the block made out of iron be stronger? I know the '01 Cobra had an aluminum block and the '03 Cobra had a cast iron block for boost and 1000hp or whatever.

Thanks! :banana:

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

Should probably mention I plan on tearing it down and installing the BNR forged pistons and valve springs.

 

[carsNskis]

Spend the time and money building a 1.4 or....
Drop in the 2.0 with 275hp on tap from the factory?

The modern 2.0 used in the Malibu and Regal will bolt up to either auto or manual trans

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

Is that that LTG engine they have listed on their website for $10k? If I could actually find one of those for less than $1k I'd consider the increased costs of building the engine and fabricating the necessary things to get it to work in the engine bay.

 

[skurtov]

Bolt up sure, but can it handle the power? M32 doesnt hold up to much

 

[greg51]

engine

2.0 will not bolt up. If its Sonic -there is not much room. Any Cruze, Sonic, and Buick Encore 1.4 will interchange 2011-2016 early. The Gen II 1.4--2016 1/2 will not interchange directly. All Gen I 1.4 have iron block. I just bought a used 1.4 from 2014 Buick Encore-14000 miles for $315. From LKQ on Ebay, they run sales on old inventory off and on. G

 

[Blue Moon Sonic]

Plus the 1.4t are plentiful and cheap. can get them for under 1k fairly easily with less than 40k on the odometer. Personally, As much as i would love a 2.0 in the sonic, I'd rather have the lighter 1.4 in there instead. Plus it's more humiliating to anyone you beat at the strip, because they lost to a tiny ecotec.

 

[greg51]

1.4

Well there is no replacement for displacement. But your stuck with the 1.4, someone is going to respond with Anything is possible-but we are talking reasonable. Now if it was a Cruze you could swap the 2.0 motor tranny as they used them in the Buick Verano. but there is still a lot of stuff that has to be changed. I was thinking the 1.6 out of the Buick Cascadia but you wont get one of those reasonable for a long time. g

 

[carsNskis]

M32 will hold up to 320nm tq. Yes the modern 2.0 will bolt up, yes there's room in the engine bay and yes one motor mount needs to be relocated.

I think 650 sounds cheap to me. http://m.ebay.com/itm/2013-Buick-Re...%3Aacc90a2815c0aa42eab17ca7fffea717%7Ciid%3A1

Why is everyone so determined to put this ****ty 1.4 back into the car instead of moving on to something with potential??

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

2.0 will not bolt up. If its Sonic -there is not much room. Any Cruze, Sonic, and Buick Encore 1.4 will interchange 2011-2016 early. The Gen II 1.4--2016 1/2 will not interchange directly. All Gen I 1.4 have iron block. I just bought a used 1.4 from 2014 Buick Encore-14000 miles for $315. From LKQ on Ebay, they run sales on old inventory off and on. G

Excellent, thanks greg. I've actually been looking at LKQ on ebay too, and was wondering about it since I read on facebook that the tune wouldn't work anymore or something like that.

 

[Blue Moon Sonic]

M32 will hold up to 320nm tq. Yes the modern 2.0 will bolt up, yes there's room in the engine bay and yes one motor mount needs to be relocated.

I think 650 sounds cheap to me. 2013 Buick Regal 2.0L Engine Motor 4cyl OEM 50K Miles (LKQ~108621121) | eBay

Why is everyone so determined to put this ****ty 1.4 back into the car instead of moving on to something with potential??

Because oddly enough, the 1.4 as small as it is, actually does have potential with it. The other issue you have with swapping to a larger displacement engine, is really going to be swapping over all the computer modules.

They all are programmed to verify and check to make sure everything has the same VIN and security ID tag for the keys and anti theft. These cars are too integrated with the electronics where if you wanted to swap it over, you not only have to do fab work, You also have to have access to a complete donor car and or a programming device like what a GM dealership would have.

I've already done an engine swap in a late model vehicle once before. It took me like 4 phone calls to the dealership to ask about having new keys cut and the PCM programmed to use a new instrument cluster since the cluster and PCM didn't match. They would've wanted like $300 for all of that. I actually had to ask my tuner to fully diable the security system just so I could save the money and test the car to make sure it would fire up.

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

Do you know how much 320 N*m are? That's like 236 ft lbs. It sounds good but the point of the car was kind of a DIY build, and a bigger engine will require more than just bolting it to the transmission considering that the turbo inlet and the throttle body point towards the same side.

I think it would be best to let one of the performance part manufacturers take that one.

I would love to give it a shot if I had a backup car to get around.

 

[carsNskis]

I get what you are both saying. The 1.4 is cheap and there are more parts available now more than ever that make it a feasible build. I just don't like the price to play....

pistons, springs, intercooler, injectors, coils, and mild turbo for $7kish plus labor if you can't do it yourself? This gets you 220 wheel hopefully?

Jerry at bnr confirms he can tune the LHU in the sonic. Not to be a spoiler but I think someone has done the swap...

...sorry if I keep pushing the 2.0 swap over a modded 1.4 so much but I'm hoping some one pioneers this before I'm ready because I don't see a bolt on 1.4 being worth the power output for the $ spent

 

[carsNskis]

Yes I'm aware 230lb' torque is not a big # but keep in mind you can boost control gears 1-2 and have reduced power for drivetrain protection, and 250 is probably fine in this trans. You can go F40 to upgrade the manual, or 6t40 auto for more torque handling

 

[carsNskis]

I don't believe the 1.4 ecu can handle the brain work of the 2.0 with a tune alone. You probably need a stand alone ems and sensor emulators. As long as you pair up all the input on the sonic wiring harness there shouldn't be too much wire work. It's not simple, but I believe at the end of the day they $ spent for 275hp bone stock is worth the extra effort.

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

If the goal were 275 then I think big turbo would probably be way easier than a swap.

If we have to hold back in gears 1 and 2 which are the ones that do all the work then what's the point?

What's the F40 out of?

And can you get whoever did that swap to show up so they can mention what's involved. Like I said going in blind on a daily is a horrible idea.


I think though that pistons and springs plus the GTX with some corn would put me right where I want to be. I mean pretty much the tune alone on the street had me playing with anyone that had anything weaker than a coyote in their engine bay.

By the way those parts you listed are closer to $5k. The only thing I might actually need real help with though would be on the install of the pistons.

 

[carsNskis]

Best of luck with that. I'm looking forward to dyno sheets...

&

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

Why don't you go ahead and drop that 2.0 in your car and let us know

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk

 

[carsNskis]

Why don't you go ahead and drop that 2.0 in your car and let us know

Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk

Aye I didn't actually mean that last comment sarcastically, it reads that way though so I apologize!

I genuinely think you're on the right track for what you want to accomplish esp for a daily, I do actually wish you luck and hope your buildup goes easily and cheaply! (And I am genuinely curious to see what kind of power you make because I haven't seen many builds like you're suggesting so it will be great to have a baseline for those who follow this route what you can expect)

Sorry to hijack your thread. I guess I try to start the 2.0 conversation when i can because I'm not ready and i want someone to pioneer it lol.

I need to get more miles out of the stock block (only 55k) if I'm going to justify a swap or build up, and it needs to be a non-daily at that point so I don't strand myself when things don't go right, i eff something up, and I can't get the stock motor back in by Monday morning [emoji41]

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

Friends? <3