ZZP High Flow Cold Air Intake - Sonic LTZ 1.4L Turbo

[ls1jt]

We have the ZZP setup in our garage and did an entire walk through installation on the kit. Very easy to do and really simple. If you want to learn how to install it yourself, the link is below. I also give my opinions on the setup with a test drive so you can hear what it sounds like. Enjoy!


ZZPerformance Sonic High Flow Air Intake By: Hoagies Garage

 

[whitesmoke]

I dont know how to tell you guys this but thats a toaster oven intake. WOW IS intake air temp going to up and lose you about 10 hp. But it will sound cool. Good luck.

 

[laborsmith]

I am wondering why whitesmoke would disparage a product that came available back when none of us could be certain the Somic would be a success. I personally take offense and hope this chiding is accepted as the kindly urge to be civil as intended.

Most of the Sonics oem cold air tubing is left intact which means to me a novice granted that the SRI, or any Sonic SRI, will be less a toaster than your comment implies.

Laborsmith

 

[rdss]

I am wondering why whitesmoke would disparage a product that came available back when none of us could be certain the Somic would be a success. I personally take offense and hope this chiding is accepted as the kindly urge to be civil as intended.

Most of the Sonics oem cold air tubing is left intact which means to me a novice granted that the SRI, or any Sonic SRI, will be less a toaster than your comment implies.

Laborsmith

I agree and as a fabricator you would think he would give advice on how to make it better vs just bashing a product that's been available since the beginning.

 

[KartRacer]

I purchased the ZZP unit from another member, let's face it, unless your are competing the intake is about 2 things, Sounds Cool and is Washable. The few HP generated is a distant 3rd.
I like mine, looks and sounds good and will save me money over the life!

 

[whitesmoke]

you guys need to lighten up

Whats with all the nasty comments, i am just stating facts. And i talk from 30 yrs of experience with racing induction systems. We have done extensive testing on these intake products and have found none of them to produce COLD air as you call it. And on a sonic without a good tune to go with the intake it actually looses hp. I was useing the toaster reference as a joke, you know funny? I was not degrading the quality of the product or the guys that did the work. Check your iamt against stock and you will see what i mean.

 

[laborsmith]

I did not take your comment as a joke, whtesnake, and view your "apology" in the tone delivered.

You will note in my many posts regarding intakes that I do not refer to this style as "cold air" intakes, and there is a reason just as you describe.

I believe there can be a very short term power increase from installing one and that a responsible tune is necessary for any long term effect and the video narration seems to make that clear. I will repeat once again: the most cost effective way to gain power in the turbocharged Sonic is to use premium fuel, especially as you need to use premium to get the best results from any power mods or tunes.


Laborsmith

 

[ls1jt]

Well if we are all really honest here... This isn't crazy hp, fast and furious, or anything of the like.

It is an easy mod to do, sounds cool and I wouldn't say this unless it was true, the throttle has just a bit more response. Nothing major, it's not like I hit the nitrous button or something like that, but at certain RPMs it is there. Now with a tune, maybe you'd notice more. With metal tubing, yea the air is going to get hotter. Either way though, it felt slightly more peppy, nothing more.

 

[whitesmoke]

ok

I agree and as a fabricator you would think he would give advice on how to make it better vs just bashing a product that's been available since the beginning.

I will tell you how to make it better, and I wasn't bashing anything, just trying to tell you guys not to expect any power gains from an intake alone. here you go, the way to make it better.
go to sonic cold air hood scoop in this forum

 

[ls1jt]

I will tell you how to make it better, and I wasn't bashing anything, just trying to tell you guys not to expect any power gains from an intake alone. here you go, the way to make it better.
http://www.sonicownersforum.com/forum/aftermarket-crowd/17774-sonic-hood-mount-cold-air-scoop.htmlgo.

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[Dogz]

I need to come here more often, this stuff's hilarious.

Whitesmoke, you know this car's turbo charged right?
It doesn't really matter what type of intake the car has, the charged air coming out of the turbo is heated anyway.
Unless you're really thrashing the car the intercooler cools the charge sufficiently.
You're probably old school right & used to dealing with na engines.

 

[whitesmoke]

Well then explain my intake temps as opposed to everybody else.
How am i running an iamt of 1 degree above to one degree below oat at a steady cruise speed. I said BELOW oat. I know how much the turbo heats the air thats why i lowered the temp going in

but then again what the hell do I know about intakes, I better get out of here because I obviously don't know what the hell im talking about, sorry, good bye

 

[RMinNJ]

I think the turbo reply was jest/humor?

This is still a great thread.. Should we lower the intake temperature or is there some incredible intercooler that that can cool the air down ... ideally one would want both ...especially living in a hot climate.

 

[Dogz]

Well then explain my intake temps as opposed to everybody else.
How am i running an iamt of 1 degree above to one degree below oat at a steady cruise speed. I said BELOW oat. I know how much the turbo heats the air thats why i lowered the temp going in

but then again what the hell do I know about intakes, I better get out of here because I obviously don't know what the hell im talking about, sorry, good bye

One or both of your temp readings are wrong.

 

[HollywoodTurbo]

Well then explain my intake temps as opposed to everybody else.
How am i running an iamt of 1 degree above to one degree below oat at a steady cruise speed. I said BELOW oat. I know how much the turbo heats the air thats why i lowered the temp going in

but then again what the hell do I know about intakes, I better get out of here because I obviously don't know what the hell im talking about, sorry, good bye

My ultra gauge shows intake temps relatively higher than the outside air temperatures. Yes, at startup and for the first few minutes its pretty close, however after running, even at higher speeds on the highway, its higher. For example, 80 degree weather, intake temperatures 100-120.

 

[whitesmoke]

One or both of your temp readings are wrong.

No my temp readings are dead on. Our scoop is a venturi by design, we even went so far as to put wind speed gauges on the hood at the opening of the scoop and inside the exit point of the scoop into the air box. Outside 38mph wind speed yields 45 mph at the air box, and with a oat temp probe inside the exit of the scoop the air temp is 3-5 degrees below oat due to the increase in velocity. I have video of the oat and the iamt .while driving at 70 mph and iamt is 1 degree above oat. And if you lean on it and pull some boost it drops to 1 degree below oat
Let me know where you are at so that when we start selling these i dont send you one lol

 

[laborsmith]

Does "when we start selling these" mean a decision has been made?

Laborsmith

 

[whitesmoke]

Does "when we start selling these" mean a decision has been made?

Laborsmith

yes, we will be making these sometime in the near future, will be available worldwide ( except Australia lol ) first one is going to bnr for jerry to test. we are waiting for the 3d scanner, we need to scan it and make a mirror image so we can make a left side and will have 2 scoops L/H and R/H

 

[Dogz]

So back to my original post, it doesn't matter what intake you're using, the intercooler will cool the charge air sufficiently unless you're thrashing your car then you'll need a more efficient intercooler.
All your temp measurements are in F, what does that equal in C?
1 degree C makes no difference to power.

 

[whitesmoke]

Ok so now i know, fresh air intakes are useless, thanks for the info