1.6L turbo
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Dogz
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That engine, or a version of it, 1.6 turbo has been around since 2007 in Europe in the Astra & Corsa. It's been in the Holden Cruze over here since 2011. It'll fit in the Sonic no probs. I've measured it, compared them side by side & taken lots of pics & it looks like it's almost a direct bolt in swap. The only part I haven't checked out is electronics but I don't see that being a problem.
MORTIS
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That's it! We want, want, NEED that engine here in the Sonic.
$ub$onic
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Your thinking of the Z16ler line.
This is a A16xxx that started production in 2012
It replaces the old family 1 line and is now called the MGE
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Papasonic
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Wouldn't it be nice if Chevrolet would offer a Sonic that could, in stock form, keep up with a VW-GTI, or the upcoming Fiesta RS; or any of the available "hot hatches" from other manufacturers. I like my Sonic's, but they are anemic in stock form; better tuned, but reliability and warranty issues prevent this from being a viable solution for the masses. I guess for now, the Sonic is just going to be an economy car, as it was originally intended to be.
mja
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GM does have a sleeper hot hatch in the US, it's the old Spark EV with 400lb-ft tq. Keep in mind thats an electric motor, full torque instantly. They offer a few lightweight fwd gas hot hatches in Europe. They're mainly Opel OPC's. Vauxhall slaps the VXR badge on as a rebrand. Maybe there's more to it than that.
I think GM is following the lead of what works for Toyota small cars. Ford, Hyundai, Honda, Subaru, Mazda, and others have small sports cars but seem to be lower volume vs Toyota or even Nissan in the Versa. So one idea is brand identity should promote the widest appeal to the avg buyer and the enthusiasts or hotrodders be damned. Bland, sameness, and 'nice looking' are what GM wants for their new small cars, and any hot hatch will be an accidental sleeper, not on purpose. Like the Buick Verano 2.0T - a Cruze SS in disguise.
I think GM is following the lead of what works for Toyota small cars. Ford, Hyundai, Honda, Subaru, Mazda, and others have small sports cars but seem to be lower volume vs Toyota or even Nissan in the Versa. So one idea is brand identity should promote the widest appeal to the avg buyer and the enthusiasts or hotrodders be damned. Bland, sameness, and 'nice looking' are what GM wants for their new small cars, and any hot hatch will be an accidental sleeper, not on purpose. Like the Buick Verano 2.0T - a Cruze SS in disguise.
JesusTheAgnostic
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I doubt GM cares about the Sonic and I highly doubt there will be a third generation. Which is sad because if they dropped 200 hp with some room to grow in the engine bay then they'd have a nice party with the other manufacturers, but they'd rather sell you a Camaro if you want to have fun.
carsNskis
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Edit because dumb and no Google first
The exhaust manifold is not the same. But if the 1.6 uses a larger cartridge would it be an upgrade? any larger cartridge (in the same Garrett class) should fit the stock manifold?
Update, i should have checked the images better, my bad. Not the same bolt pattern although the ports looked close
Keep digging! This pdf is some good cross reference information http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59379204c9220/2017-US-Product-Information-Guide.pdf
The exhaust manifold is not the same. But if the 1.6 uses a larger cartridge would it be an upgrade? any larger cartridge (in the same Garrett class) should fit the stock manifold?
Update, i should have checked the images better, my bad. Not the same bolt pattern although the ports looked close
Keep digging! This pdf is some good cross reference information http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59379204c9220/2017-US-Product-Information-Guide.pdf
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Dogz
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No, i was thinking of the A16, just got the year wrong when it started being used in Europe. 2011, same year we got it over here in the Cruze.
This engine was also used in touring car racing somewhere with over 300hp with pretty strict controls on engine mods.
1.6t
Well it looks like not much is going to fit between the 2 engines, there is no way the 1.6 piston would fit in the 1.4 block, and the 1.6 crank is shorter stroke than the 1.4. I just thought that because its buick here we would have access to engines and parts. I know they put the 1.6 in the cruze in Australia i believe.
now a long stroke 1.4 crank in a 1.6 that might be fun. g
Well it looks like not much is going to fit between the 2 engines, there is no way the 1.6 piston would fit in the 1.4 block, and the 1.6 crank is shorter stroke than the 1.4. I just thought that because its buick here we would have access to engines and parts. I know they put the 1.6 in the cruze in Australia i believe.
now a long stroke 1.4 crank in a 1.6 that might be fun. g
mja
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Isn't the 1.6 in the cascada is the same motor, slightly bigger bore and tiny bit less stroke?
The exhaust manifold is the same. Therefore any larger cartridge (in the same Garrett class) should fit the stock manifold?
I can't find the specs on the turbo but if i were a betting man I would say it's pushing more power than the GT1446 because the bore increase alone isn't going to net 200 horsepower.
Keep digging! This pdf is some good cross reference information http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59379204c9220/2017-US-Product-Information-Guide.pdf
CarsNSkis - is the p/n on the exhaust mani + turbo the same for the 1.6 in the Buick? Garret has made many variations of our turbo, esp around 2011-2013. It'd be interesting if they use the same turbo.
$ub$onic
The Sticker Guy
That would have been the old family 1 A Series, not related to the A Series in the new Buick.
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Dogz
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Lol, some guys are getting confused by letters & numbers & how GM categorise their engines. Underneath all the add on parts for new emissions regs it's still the same engine. Virtually no parts are interchangeable with the 1.4T in our Sonics but that doesn't matter if you just want a bigger engine like a 1.6T. What does matter is that externally the engines are very close in physical dimensions & easily interchangeable in a Sonic engine bay. The engines are still expensive though. Over $2k in Australia & still almost $2k in Europe. I've been looking for an engine for the last 2 years just in case I found one at a reasonable price, it'll happen one day.
$ub$onic
The Sticker Guy
Apparently some people fail at using Google to research engines.
The gen3 family 1 engines are all almost interchangeable, most of the parts are even the same and they did have a A16 and a Z16 variant with our 1.8 being a U18 or P18 depending on emissions.
The new engine series that is replacing family 1's is the MGE.
It also has a, A Series with the A16SHT& A16XHT
Both engine series have almost nothing in common.
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The gen3 family 1 engines are all almost interchangeable, most of the parts are even the same and they did have a A16 and a Z16 variant with our 1.8 being a U18 or P18 depending on emissions.
The new engine series that is replacing family 1's is the MGE.
It also has a, A Series with the A16SHT& A16XHT
Both engine series have almost nothing in common.
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