Memphis
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Ford Fiesta ST Concept is tiny-tough hotness
1.6L Ecoboost with 6 speed manual and hopefully some Recaro Seats!
1.6L Ecoboost with 6 speed manual and hopefully some Recaro Seats!
Maybe Ill just wait for this! Fiesta ST
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MacGregor
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Touch My Sonic??? Buyer's Regret
The nice thing about this board is that you can decide you don't like the Sonic without having to buy one. "Buyer's Regret" is when you buy a Sonic, drive it and wish you had not bought it. I have the sense that a lot of us are deeply disappointed at the weight of Sonic.......although, it must be admitted that GM has not yet disclosed the weight of Sonic. We have been reduced to trying to figure avoir de peaux French weight and some off-hand posts by early recipients of Sonics.
The nice thing about this board is that you can decide you don't like the Sonic without having to buy one. "Buyer's Regret" is when you buy a Sonic, drive it and wish you had not bought it. I have the sense that a lot of us are deeply disappointed at the weight of Sonic.......although, it must be admitted that GM has not yet disclosed the weight of Sonic. We have been reduced to trying to figure avoir de peaux French weight and some off-hand posts by early recipients of Sonics.
btz2008
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Yeah Its pretty good weight. It has great features and quality, if you want a lighter car I guess get an aveo or another econobox. The weight makes up for the great saftey. The Sonic isnt a cheap econobox like the Aveo. The Sonic is a small Cruze pretty much. Stop worrying about weight so much.
Heck I bet most people will just drive fast and accelerate fast, just ruins the mileage anyways.
Heck I bet most people will just drive fast and accelerate fast, just ruins the mileage anyways.
I object to that lol. i got a heavy foot.
I think the operative word here is "Concept Car!"
Once the "committee" at Ford (just as with ALL other auto makers) get their hands on that concept it will look close to any other could-have-been hot car... It won't look or feature anything much more than the current Fiesta.
There is a lot to admire about Ford... at least for me. They rejected the current Washington Loonie Tune Squad's near jack-booted attempt at taking over the auto industry, flipped them the bird, and told them "Not only do we not want your funding- or rather your back door attempt at owning us, but neither will you force us to take your financial ultimatum. We can do it on our own without your stupid "Cash for Flunkers," your UAW union thugs, and your idiotic government meddling... AND, the EPA and all other phony, hack government agencies be damned!
So I have to admire Ford for their rugged individualism and free market-based determination. Ford knows how to run a business and prosper at the same time, whether the remaining auto manufacturers remember how to or not.
Yep... when it's all said and done, those wonderful "concept cars" ALL end up looking nothing like their initial "concept."
One only need look at the difference between the 2010 Aveo/Sonic RS (technically a "concept car"), and what the Sonic has ended up as. Granted, the final retail version of the Sonic ended up straying less further from the RS then most concepts have. Still, it's not as eye-opening as that gleaming blue RS seen on auto show floors worldwide in late 2010.
Hey, there's always mods and add-ons. In some ways that's better... You get to have it your way!
Having said all of that, I seriously doubt the Fiesta, in any form, will be any better than any other car in it's class. I would include the Sonic in that assumption.
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btz2008
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Well MacGregor, I have not been brainwashed. I think the car looks to be a great replacement for my current car. I have not seen the sonic in person myself so I'm not going to go too crazy about it like some.
I have compared it to the yaris and fiesta and the kia rio and the sonic seems to be the better built car in terms of quality. Won't know till I see it.
I do agree that that GMs PR is BS so I never look at that stuff anyways. So yeah it may weigh more but its a lot safer than my old cavalier that got like 2 or 3 stars and cheaper materials. I have considered a lot about this car thro research
For everyone worrying about the weight, it still has a better power to weight ratio than the next most powerful car: the Fiesta.
Fiesta: 120HP/2537lb = 0.0473 hp/lb
Sonic (worst): 138hp/2875lb = 0.0480 hp/lb
Sonic (best): 138hp/2800lb = 0.0493 hp/lb
Sonic's worst metric is still 1.48% more powerful per pound than the Fiesta and its best metric is 4.23% more powerful per pound.
While not hugely more powerful, it at least isn't less powerful. And that doesn't take the torque into account (148 lb-ft @1850RPMvs 112 lb-ft @5000RPM) which is 32.14% more powerful. And that doesn't take into account that you don't have to even get near redline to get that kind of power.
MacGregor, since you've decided against the Sonic, what are you going with or what is your current favorite?
Fiesta: 120HP/2537lb = 0.0473 hp/lb
Sonic (worst): 138hp/2875lb = 0.0480 hp/lb
Sonic (best): 138hp/2800lb = 0.0493 hp/lb
Sonic's worst metric is still 1.48% more powerful per pound than the Fiesta and its best metric is 4.23% more powerful per pound.
While not hugely more powerful, it at least isn't less powerful. And that doesn't take the torque into account (148 lb-ft @1850RPMvs 112 lb-ft @5000RPM) which is 32.14% more powerful. And that doesn't take into account that you don't have to even get near redline to get that kind of power.
MacGregor, since you've decided against the Sonic, what are you going with or what is your current favorite?
jlslatton
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fiesta wouldnt be the next most powerful, unless you discount the accent because its the same:
138 hp and roughly 2500 lbs.....0552 hp/lb
...and since i own a 6 speed manual accent, i can verify its plenty fun to drive and does in fact beat its 40 mpg rating.
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Interesting! I had not heard of that car yet. Here's a comparison between the Accent, Fiesta and Sonic. For the Sonic, you'll have to mentally sub in the 1.4LT and 6speed manual to be on par with what we know.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/?veh1=101356434&veh2=101266475&veh3=101390804
Boost
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MacGregor why don't you get over it already? In every thread you bash the Sonic ever since the weight came out. It's no secret, we have a half dozen in stock now, and they weigh a couple hundred pounds less than the Cruze. Around 2800 lbs. While I totally agree that from a performance standpoint that is too heavy for the power it puts out, it is a SAFE and high quality car which is important to me. Your dulling down this forum with the negative comments 
Wait, people still pay attention to MacGregor? I just assumed everybody else skipped past his posts like I do.
I think the little turbo making lots of power (and torque) early in the powerband will compensate for the few extra pounds. I only wish the Sonic had kept the shorter gears of the Cruze transmission, but what are you gonna do. From the test drives it seems that it carries its weight well.
Remember, a Nissan Skyline GTR weighs as much as my Silverado!!! (yeah bad analogy lol)
I think the little turbo making lots of power (and torque) early in the powerband will compensate for the few extra pounds. I only wish the Sonic had kept the shorter gears of the Cruze transmission, but what are you gonna do. From the test drives it seems that it carries its weight well.
Remember, a Nissan Skyline GTR weighs as much as my Silverado!!! (yeah bad analogy lol)
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Good point Screamer4. Not EVERY "heavy" 4 banger makes very respectable torque at 1850 RPM. The turbo and engine management were specifically designed for very low rpm power, enhancing acceleration. Many Cruze owners have desribed their 1.4t "tanks" as peepy and satisfactory off the line. Heck, an automatic LT, lightly modded, just ran a 15.5 quarter mile! (2.3 60', 9.9 1/8). They are keeping up with well known "performance" type cars. I am not saying it's a fireball by any means, it is NOT. But I am still considering one and I am very picky with speed. They get 40 mpg...