i'm voting for TRUMP

[Lazza]

bluejay, you raise a lot of points. Let's see...

1) If Donald Trump had nothing to hide he would have disclosed his tax returns long ago. Hillary Clinton has disclosed her tax returns for many years. IRS audit is a very lame excuse. Every other candidate in recent memory has disclosed his tax return. He doesn't get a free ride.

2) Hillary speeches to Wall Street, ... I am not sure what this all about. As a private person she can give speeches to whomever and get paid whatever someone is willing to pay. Now as for what was said, I am not sure what difference it would make. Does anyone think she would make shady promises? If she was stupid enough to do that some attendee would have blabbed it to Fox News long ago and got paid handsomely.

3) Wall Street owns Hillary? Well that makes as much sense as the rumors going around now that Trump doesn't want his taxes disclosed because he is owned by Putin. Hillary and her husband are quite wealthy as it is. I don't think she'd sell her soul to Wall Street. As for Donald Trump, I fear he doesn't have a soul ... or even a Kia Soul.

4) Any reference to the Bill Clinton presidency should also include his many successes; he was popular when he left office for good reason. Now as for his successor, ... how quick we are to forget how life was under the last Republican administration.

5) Private e-mail system, here I agree with you. She was arrogant and stupid to go with such a system despite advice to the contrary. No excuse. However it seems people forget her predecessors had similar systems that no one wanted to investigate. So instead millions are spent investigating something that was far from criminal but rather an exercise in poor judgement. I might also mention millions of e-mails were deleted, or more charitably "disappeared", from an e-mail server during the Bush years.

6) Benghazi. Well at least spending a fortune on several investigations showed that Clinton acted appropriately. Just a crazy witch hunt, IMHO. And I might remind you far more people were killed in numerous embassy incidents during the Bush years. Oh, and a 200+ marines were killed in Beirut during the Reagan years. I don't seem to recall any exhaustive congressional hearings or witch hunts following those episodes.

7) Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Well I am not one to praise Debbie. I think she is a shrill, overly partisan harpy (a Democratic equivalent of Michelle Bachman with a few more brain cells). But Hillary did not appoint Debbie to the job. No evidence Hillary colluded with Debbie to undermine Bernie Sanders. Yet do I think Debbie would have done something underhanded to shaft Bernie? Quite possibly. But Hillary won fair and square. She garnered far more votes that Bernie, even to the point of not needing super delegates (..I think this super delegate business is awful).


IMHO, Hillary is a very smart woman. She fully grasps the role of POTUS and is fully qualified for the job. Do I *trust* her personally? Meh. But I do think ultimately we'll have an Obama third term. For me this is good enough considering the alternative ...

... and that alternative is a person who is utterly unqualified to be Commander in Chief. On a personal level I find him FAR more repulsive that Hillary; he's just creepy. His views on women, disabled individuals, and minorities are, IMHO, not consistent for those who should be considered as POTUS. Even George W. Bush, whom I think was a dreadful president, had far better character than Trump.

Sorry for going on. I am not going to post further here; I don't think my words will convince any Trump supporter to changes his/her ways. I also find these sorts of exchanges lead to "too much heat and not enough light". I hope what I wrote is viewed more illuminating than incendiary.


_Lazza

 

[The Champ]

Lazza

1. In my lifetime, there are 4 actual presidents that did not disclose their tax returns prior to being elected (some never disclosed their tax returns). This includes both Republicans and Democrats.

2 and 3. Hillary's speeches - and the compensation she received - is how Wall Street the banking industry "OWN" her. People pay huge amounts for great speakers. Hillary is far from that. This was another way for these folks to "legally" funnel money into the Clinton bank accounts (for future considerations).

4. The only comment I made about Bill's terms as President was that he and Hillary sold access to the White House. I made no comment about the good or bad policies he was responsible for. Only the corruption.

5. You got this half right - and I understand why you might not understand the other half. Hillary talks about how her predecessors "did the same thing". There is truth to that statement.

However, the policies had been changed prior to her taking office and to prevent this to happen again. That's why Hillary never sought approval - her request would have been denied.

There is also the fact that all her official emails were supposed to be turned over PRIOR to her leaving office. Failure to turn them over is actually a crime.

Hillary left office in early 2013. In December 2012, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, filed a FOIA request seeking records about her email. They received a response in May 2013: “no records responsive to your request were located.”

6. I'm not going to try and combat your theory. It's ok to agree to disagree.

7. Hillary had most of her Super Delegates before she announced her campaign. With the Super Delegates and Wasserman's dirty tricks, that surely hurt Bernie's ability to campaign effectively. To claim that Hillary won "fair and square" is to deny that the DNC did anything wrong during the primaries.

And to think that Hillary didn't act in collusion (you are right - I have no proof) with Wasserman is disingenuous.

Why would Hillary take a disgraced politician and almost immediately make that same politician her "honorary chair" of her presidential campaign?

It was a token of Hillary's appreciation for Debbie falling on her sword to protect Hillary from certain defeat (if the truth came out).

This is how the Clinton's have operated since they were in Arkansas.

And just today, the IRS announced that they will be looking into the Clinton Family Foundation...

IRS looking into Clinton Foundation 'pay-to-play' claims

A few of the things that have prompted this are:

The letter detailed how former President Bill Clinton accepted $16.5 million as honorary chancellor at Laureate International Universities, founded by Douglas Becker. The company also gave between $1 million and $5 million to the Clinton Foundation. Bloomberg News reported the U.S. Agency for International Development, an appendage of the State Department, gave more than $55 million to Becker’s International Youth Foundation, while Hillary Clinton was the secretary of state.

And...

On another front, Uranium One Chairman Ian Telfer donated a total of $2.35 million to the foundation – and the New York Times reported that former President Clinton once received $500,000 for a speech in Moscow from a company promoting Uranium One stock. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton was among the U.S. officials that approved the Uranium One sale to Russian investors.

The way they finally got Al Capone in jail was for tax fraud. Just sayin'...

 

[bluejay]

you guys are screwed this election . how many people are moving to canada once the election is over ? dont worry the govt will let u settle down somewhere nice like northern manitoba or saskatchewan. lol

 

[Natesriv]

Interesting note..."turning over the emails"... if you watched Rachael Maddow... that entails printing a physical paper copy and putting it in a box...that's the method you're supposed to do...

One step below floppy disks!

 

[The Champ]

you guys are screwed this election . how many people are moving to canada once the election is over ? dont worry the govt will let u settle down somewhere nice like northern manitoba or saskatchewan. lol

My wife has worked extensively in Canada (British Columbia, Alberta and Manitoba) over a period of 10 years. She's been up to Dawson Creek, Fort MacMurray, Lethbridge, Red Deer and Brandon (that I can remember).

We love Alberta.

And 8 years ago, when Hillary attempted to run for President the first time, we discussed the possibility.

But the Canadian health care system scares both of us.

She had too many coworkers that couldn't get the proper medical treatment in a timely manner. This was in Lethbridge - a decent size community not all that far from Calgary.

We still have private insurance through our employers - and we're very willing to pay for our portion of the premiums and our deductibles for the quality of care that we receive.

I'm a two time cancer survivor, so I know all about the care, treatment and costs. I'm lucky enough to live 25 miles from the Mayo Clinic - and that is where I go for all my medical care.

 

[The Champ]

Interesting note..."turning over the emails"... if you watched Rachael Maddow... that entails printing a physical paper copy and putting it in a box...that's the method you're supposed to do...

One step below floppy disks!

And Hillary has turned over "ALL" of her state department emails.

So why are the democrats claiming that Trump should be charged with treason for (sarcastically) suggesting that maybe the Russians could find those 33,000 emails that Hillary deleted?

They are all supposed to be personal - according to Hillary.

If there is information that could cause damage to our country, it should have been turned over long ago....

 

[bluejay]

My wife has worked extensively in Canada (British Columbia, Alberta and Manitoba) over a period of 10 years. She's been up to Dawson Creek, Fort MacMurray, Lethbridge, Red Deer and Brandon (that I can remember).

We love Alberta.

And 8 years ago, when Hillary attempted to run for President the first time, we discussed the possibility.

But the Canadian health care system scares both of us.

She had too many coworkers that couldn't get the proper medical treatment in a timely manner. This was in Lethbridge - a decent size community not all that far from Calgary.

We still have private insurance through our employers - and we're very willing to pay for our portion of the premiums and our deductibles for the quality of care that we receive.

I'm a two time cancer survivor, so I know all about the care, treatment and costs. I'm lucky enough to live 25 miles from the Mayo Clinic - and that is where I go for all my medical care.

lived in canada for almost 31 years never had the problems u describe . my wife an i had a baby last june the whole thing cost me $16 for parking thats it . there used to be long waits a few years ago but now , the longest wait ive had lately was 30 min . father in-law cut off a large portion of his thumb 2 weeks ago saw a specialist with-in 3 hours fixed him up good as new . total cost $8 for parking . peace of mind knowing i dont have to mortgage my house if my daughter breaks a bone , priceless. when i hear americains tell me how crap my free public heath care is i laugh and wonder where they get their info . broken telephone, people always make things sound worse than it really is.

 

[The Champ]

lived in canada for almost 31 years never had the problems u describe . my wife an i had a baby last june the whole thing cost me $16 for parking thats it . there used to be long waits a few years ago but now , the longest wait ive had lately was 30 min . father in-law cut off a large portion of his thumb 2 weeks ago saw a specialist with-in 3 hours fixed him up good as new . total cost $8 for parking . peace of mind knowing i dont have to mortgage my house if my daughter breaks a bone , priceless. when i hear americains tell me how crap my free public heath care is i laugh and wonder where they get their info . broken telephone, people always make things sound worse than it really is.

Sorry, I missed your response until now.

Well, as I stated before, my wife worked up there for 10 years, flying back and forth every week.

I understand that for routine things like maternity and emergency services that the Canadian health care system works fine. If a person is bleeding - of course they are going to be helped in a timely manner.

But for things requiring expensive diagnostic tests, not so much. These services are "managed" or "rationed", with the decisions on who gets them and when left up to the government.

As to $16.00 for the delivery of your child (congratulations, btw), that would be nice if that were all you actually paid. Health care isn't free. It needs to be paid for and you pay for it in your higher income taxes and your "goods and services" tax.

My wife's coworker in Lethbridge was having symptoms similar to something I went through here in the states. I was scheduled for a cat scan at 7:00 AM the next morning. He waited over 6 months and only got his cat scan after having a stroke. Luckily for him, it was a small stroke. But it could have been prevented.

I got this info first hand from her coworker. No broken phone required. Although my wife worked actually worked with him on a daily basis, I visited her up in Letbridge many times and had the opportunity to socialize with him several times. My last visit up there, the three of us went to a Jr hockey game together and we discussed his health care situation after his stroke.

FWIW - I just got the bill for a recent diagnostic scans, some blood tests and my office visit. Total bill was $4,731.77. My share will be about $40.00.

I can afford that.

There is a reason that many Canadians come to Rochester, MN (Mayo Clinic) for health care and pay for it themselves.

 

[The Champ]

Back on Topic...

I strongly suggest that people here in the states go see Dinesh D’Souza’s documentary film "Hillary's America - The Secret History of the Democratic Party".

If you can still consider a vote for Hillary after watching that film, I'd be amazed.

Chuck Norris' (yes, that Chuck Norris of Walker, Texas Ranger fame...) recommendation:

Top 10 highlights of ?Hillary?s America?

 

[Dubbs_RS]

If you can still consider a vote for Hillary after watching that film, I'd be amazed.

To be fair. I can say the same after 10 minutes of watching Trump.

For the record, I am not a Hilary supporter. I am just an American who is afraid of giving Trump nuclear launch codes.

 

[The Champ]

To be fair. I can say the same after 10 minutes of watching Trump.

For the record, I am not a Hilary supporter. I am just an American who is afraid of giving Trump nuclear launch codes.

I'm not telling anyone to vote for Trump. I'm not enamored with any of the options.

I may dicide to vote for Gary Johnson - that's to be determined.

I'm simply recommending that people not vote for Hillary.

I'm afraid of giving her anything - and for good reasons.

If you shake hands with her, you'd better count your fingers and check your wallet. Something might be missing.

 

[mitdr774]

I'm not telling anyone to vote for Trump. I'm not enamored with any of the options.

I may dicide to vote for Gary Johnson - that's to be determined.

I'm simply recommending that people not vote for Hillary.

I'm afraid of giving her anything - and for good reasons.

If you shake hands with her, you'd better count your fingers and check your wallet. Something might be missing.

I would be more worried about her sucking my soul out than taking the $12 in my wallet.

If there was a good chance for a third party to get a decent enough number of votes to show they are an option, its this election.

 

[The Champ]

On Sunday, in her first post nomination interview with Chris Wallace, Hillary rewrote recent history...

If you look at this exchange over the findings of FBI Director James Comey who, while testifying under oath before the House Oversight Committee, confirmed that almost every public statement from Secretary Clinton regarding the email scandal had been false, it can only mean that Hillary thinks that the American people are stupid or she is a pathological liar:

Wallace: After a long investigation, FBI Director James Comey said none of those things that you told the American public were true.

Clinton: Chris, that’s not what I heard Director Comey say, and I thank you for giving me the opportunity, in my view, to clarify. Director Comey said my answers were truthful, and what I’ve said is consistent with what I have told the American people, that there were decisions discussed and made to classify retroactively certain of the e-mails. I was communicating with over 300 people in my e-mailing. They certainly did not believe, and had no reason to believe, that what they were sending was classified. In retrospect, different agencies come in and say, well, it should have been, but that’s not what was happening in real time.

Wallace followed up with the exchange between Trey Gowdy and James Comey at the Congressional Oversight Committee hearing:

GOWDY: “Secretary Clinton said she never sent or received classified information over her email? Was it true?”

Comey replied it wasn’t true.

GOWDY: “Secretary Clinton said there was nothing marked classified either sent or received. Was it true?”

Comey replied it wasn’t true.

GOWDY: “Clinton said, ‘There is no classified material.’ Was that true?”

COMEY: “There was classified material emailed.”

GOWDY: “Secretary Clinton said she used one device. Was that true?”

COMEY: “She used multiple devices during her four years as secretary of state.”

Hillary's response:

“Well, Chris, I looked at the whole transcript of everything that was said, and what I believe is, number one, I made a mistake not using two different e-mail addresses. I have said that and I repeat it again today. It is certainly not anything I would ever do again. I take classification seriously. I relied on and had every reason to rely on the judgments of the professionals with whom I worked. And so in retrospect, maybe some people are saying, well, among those 300 people they made the wrong call. There was no reason in my view to doubt the professionalism and the determination by the people who work every single day on behave of our country.”

Look at that - she makes a long winded reply to Comey contradicting her previous lies - and never actually said anything other than BS.

So what do you think?

Does she think we are stupid? Or is she a pathological liar?

Or both....

Here's a link in case you want to watch the videos of Clinton lying through her teeth:

Video: Watch the moment(s) Hillary Clinton lies through her teeth on Fox News Sunday « Hot Air

It also includes info on Benghazi - and comments where Hillary basically calls Pat Smith, mother of Sean Smith who died that night in Benghazi a liar.

All this woman knows how to do is lie, deny, lie, deny, lie, deny....

Of course, she learned from one of the best, her husband:

“I did not have ***ual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.”

 

[spacedout]

Lying and putting on a smile is a presidential requirement isn't it? Our President has to represent us on a world stage, when I picture Trump in that role I can only imagine its not a matter of if, but when he will put his foot in his mouth and offend one of our allies or escalate conflict with our enemy's.

A president needs to be able to know when to hold their tongue and not speak every though that comes to their mind. Acting with dignity and respect toward others is a huge part of being leader of this great country because everyone has equal rights here.

 

[The Champ]

Lying and putting on a smile is a presidential requirement isn't it?

Most of what you posted I agree with. Knowing when to keep your mouth shut can be an admirable trait.

This line, however, is just wrong.

When you live by telling lies, the lies have to become bigger to maintain the lie.

This is what is happening to Hillary now. Problem is, she can't recall the original lies, so the story keeps changing. This results in confirming that she has been lying all along.

But what can you expect from someone that has been lying to the American public for 4 decades.

This contributes to the recent poll results as reported by the Washington Post on July 25th:

1) 68 percent say Clinton isn't honest and trustworthy

That's according to the CNN poll, and it's her worst number on-record. It's also up from 65 percent earlier this month and 59 percent in May. The 30 percent who see Clinton as honest and trustworthy is now well shy of the number who say the same of Trump: 43 percent.

2) Her image has never been worse

CBS showed just 31 percent have favorable views of Clinton and 56 percent have unfavorable ones. Even in Trump's worst days on the campaign trail, he has rarely dipped below a 31 percent favorable rating. Clinton has hit that number a few times, but her negative-25 net favorable rating here is tied for the worst of her campaign.


3) Just 38 percent would be "proud" to have her as president

That's down from 55 percent in March 2015. Sixty percent say they would not be proud.

4) Nearly half of Democratic primary voters still want Bernie Sanders

The CNN poll, in fact, shows 45 percent of those who voted in Democratic primaries still say they wish it was Sanders. Just 49 percent say they prefer Clinton — down from 55 percent a month ago.

This isn't coming from a right wing source - this is the Washington Post reporting this. Main stream media traditionally leans to the left. But even the Washington Post can't stretch the truth far enough to make Hillary look good.

 

[carsNskis]

How quickly we forget the sins of previous presidents... And pretend like the current candidates are any better!

A politician is in power for their own gain and to pretend otherwise is childish and ignorant.

The him/her argument is moot because neither is worthy of leading this Country. They both have a massive lack of credibility, honesty, reliability and trustworthiness... They BOTH suck.

Sheen/Lohan 2016.. in hookers and blow we trust

 

[mitdr774]

 

[JesusTheAgnostic]

lived in canada for almost 31 years never had the problems u describe . my wife an i had a baby last june the whole thing cost me $16 for parking thats it . there used to be long waits a few years ago but now , the longest wait ive had lately was 30 min . father in-law cut off a large portion of his thumb 2 weeks ago saw a specialist with-in 3 hours fixed him up good as new . total cost $8 for parking . peace of mind knowing i dont have to mortgage my house if my daughter breaks a bone , priceless. when i hear americains tell me how crap my free public heath care is i laugh and wonder where they get their info . broken telephone, people always make things sound worse than it really is.

One time I was forced to go to the hospital, the damned thing cost me $6k for 4 days in there, $2k for the trip to the ER, $250 for talking to somebody that I didn't even ask for, and $300 for "parking." Yeah, I wanna move to Canada, but it has nothing to do with the election, I just think that healthcare in the US is a ****ing joke. Plus I hear people up there are pretty nice.

 

[CheapFuneral]

I'm not a huge trump fan, but I find it funny that people think he can't respectfully deal with other countries and such.

He's an international business man who is successful. He must know how to show respect when the time comes or he wouldn't be where he is. He won't take bull ****, and he wants to be treated with respect as well but he knows how to handle people... All kinds of them. Friendly to hostile.

I know people get lost in the "Trump Show/Campaign" but let's not forget he's not as dumb as people think he is... If he was he would be broke and those people would be the rich ones right?


**** you auto correct!

 

[spacedout]

I'm not a huge trump fan, but I find it funny that people think he can't respectfully deal with other countries and such.

He's an international business man who is successful.

In a business dealing you don't need to be nice or respectful, its all about money. I've been in meetings where people were swearing and blatantly said they could not stand each other but wanted the business deal to go though since it was lucrative for both party's.

A really great businessman would have the class and decency to show everyone they encounter respect. I have never seen trump exhibit any of those traits. Trump has shown time an time again he can't even address the people of our own country without saying something off color and offensive.