Only 35 MPG...?
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laborsmith
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25 city and 35 highway
auto trans 1.8l engine
seems about right to me
the 1.4T should come in closer to 40 highway
Laborsmith
auto trans 1.8l engine
seems about right to me
the 1.4T should come in closer to 40 highway
Laborsmith
blackphoenix
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is that an audi style key? looks like it.
Yep, definitely a flip key. Nice touch.
If that's true, that's pretty bad by sub-compact standards. I mean, the Equinox, larger, heavier and more bulky gets 32 mpg highway. My Honda Fit Sport gets 42 and over on the highway... and that's me doing manual calculations, not depending on the Fit computer calculations.
As far as the cheesy car salesman... I could have run circles around that guy with enthusiastic, Sonic-selling stats. If I were GM I would either educate that guy on how to get people excited, actually wanting to buy the Sonic, or thank my lucky stars that guy doesn't actually represent GM directly. Don't think we'll see that guy pushing GM products at auto shows anytime soon.
Wonder if he was guessing, going by hearsay, or if he was getting that 35 mpg figure from the sticker? I couldn't really tell when he walked by the sticker on the window. Of course I'm browsing/posting on a mobile device right now. The details of the vid aren't that large.
laborsmith
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If I remember correctly, the 2011 Cruze with 1.8L engine and auto trans is 22 city and 35 highway. That makes what the sticker says for the Sonic seem correct. The Sonic should do better in city driving due to weighing less but its 59 inches in height will adversely effect its wind resistance while traveling at highway speeds.
Laborsmith
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Interesting! GM was pushing 25/42 while showing the various concept and show versions the last couple o' years. Maybe -- unlike most other manufacturers (Hello, Honda... hello, Toyota!
) -- GM/Chevy are being frugal and/or a little more realistic in their real world tests and estimations.Honda claims 42 highway for the Fit, and while I've gotten 46 mpg out of my Fit, believe me, I have to almost do the hypermilling routine in order to get that. As far as 48, 52 and above for the Prius, I say BS... That's almost an exaggeration from hell!
It's surely not real world realistic.Hopefully Chevy is being at least a bit frugal, and higher highway economy can be achieved.
RichieRocket
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As far as 48, 52 and above for the Prius, I say BS... That's almost an exaggeration from hell!
Fit4Sonic, I was skeptical of the prius highway mileage also, but a friend of mine bought a prius this year and has done long highway trips in it with the family (2 adults and 2 5-yr olds) and has gotten 50 mpg. So it's not an exaggeration.
The prius has lower aero drag due to the tear drop shape. Also, the engine runs the Atkinson cycle for incresed efficiency, not the Otto cycle like most other engines. The electric motor also helps when climbing long hills so the gas engine doesn't have to struggle uphill...
pretty disappointing. ive been keeping an eye on the sonic. even the 2012 yaris, using an 12 + year old powertrain, pulls 30 mpg city and 38 highway with the manual.
i guess im not too surprised. the sonic doesnt appear to have very good aerodynmaics and it is WAY to heavy for the class. 138 hp sounds good, but not on a 2800 lb car.....a killer for any amount of driving requiring repeated acceleration cycles.
the 1.4t may end up with better numbers, but that will come at a price.
whoever insinuated that honda/toyota game the epa system must be out of their minds. go look at fueleconomy.gov. honda and toyota have long had deserved reputations for beating epa numbers in the real world. ive noticed that the cars that tend to hold up to or beat epa numbers have good aerodynamics. the new accent is right around .29 drag coefficient, as is the previous and new yaris and current corolla.
ok, found it...cd for the sonic is 0.33, not horrible, but none to great for the class.
for fair disclosure, i have the new hyundai accent...40 mpg epa highway...and my lowerst tank has been 42.2 mpg (calculated, not by computer). so, its not just hype. it is a very nice car for the class. why have i been keeping tabs on the sonic? because i would love to drive a domestic, as long as it isnt a step down from the others. i will wait and see how the other variants turn out.
i fear that curb weight will not only hurt the fe but also the fun factor.
i guess im not too surprised. the sonic doesnt appear to have very good aerodynmaics and it is WAY to heavy for the class. 138 hp sounds good, but not on a 2800 lb car.....a killer for any amount of driving requiring repeated acceleration cycles.
the 1.4t may end up with better numbers, but that will come at a price.
whoever insinuated that honda/toyota game the epa system must be out of their minds. go look at fueleconomy.gov. honda and toyota have long had deserved reputations for beating epa numbers in the real world. ive noticed that the cars that tend to hold up to or beat epa numbers have good aerodynamics. the new accent is right around .29 drag coefficient, as is the previous and new yaris and current corolla.
ok, found it...cd for the sonic is 0.33, not horrible, but none to great for the class.
for fair disclosure, i have the new hyundai accent...40 mpg epa highway...and my lowerst tank has been 42.2 mpg (calculated, not by computer). so, its not just hype. it is a very nice car for the class. why have i been keeping tabs on the sonic? because i would love to drive a domestic, as long as it isnt a step down from the others. i will wait and see how the other variants turn out.
i fear that curb weight will not only hurt the fe but also the fun factor.
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buddy97, thats the issue I'm facing right now. The accent gets 40 mpg, even with an automatic transmission AND it's already available. I have a family member who works for GM and the GM college discount so I can probably get a good deal on a sonic, as well as the pride of driving American so I'm not sure what to do... 5 mpg doesn't sound like a lot but on the short list of pros and cons it's not helping the sonic in my book...
i was very close with my grandfather, who worked for gm his whole life. i want badly for gm to have some class leading cars. im hoping the 1.4t 6 speed manual will offer better mpg and a fun driving experience. i had to get another car this past july and the 2012 accent, imo, was the best in the class that was available. i got the gs hatch for about $15,500 and i am very happy with every aspect of the car. it is the 6 speed manual and is quite fun at 138 hp and 2450 lbs.....but, i will still test drive the 1.4t unless the mpg numbers come out as low as the auto 1.8.
Don't care about epa mileage.
its for a matter of comparison.
170+ HP and 200ft lbs of tq...30 mpg city and 44 highway while hammering on the car....ok, then.
chevy should be making and selling that car. hybrid mileage with tons of torque and plenty of hp.
Excuse me for possibly being thick or mechanically-ignorant, but what type of "tune" are we talking about here? Is this one of those supposed "magical" ECU tunes we hear so much about, but seem to be so illusive for most vehicles?
Sorry, really not trying to sound [or be] controversial or argumentative... genuinely curious about how you warrant feeling so absolutely confident in what you're saying, and how you think it may be a fact regarding a car that hasn't even been released yet.
So, what "tune"?
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Memphis
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Yes they should. And they have officially offered it. The only car in its class with a turbo. All turbo cars have lots of potential.
Epa numbers don't mean ****. Real world driving is what matters. Go over to the Cruze forums and see how good the gas mileage is on a Cruze Eco which weighs in at 200 lbs more. It gets just as good of mileage as your accent.
The tune is actually already available as its the same engine that is in the Cruze. It's done by trifecta performance and I'm a dealer for them
Epa numbers don't mean ****. Real world driving is what matters. Go over to the Cruze forums and see how good the gas mileage is on a Cruze Eco which weighs in at 200 lbs more. It gets just as good of mileage as your accent.
The tune is actually already available as its the same engine that is in the Cruze. It's done by trifecta performance and I'm a dealer for them
Epa numbers don't mean ****. Real world driving is what matters. Go over to the Cruze forums and see how good the gas mileage is on a Cruze Eco which weighs in at 200 lbs more. It gets just as good of mileage as your accent.
epa numbers are still a pretty good means for comparison. since they changed the ratings method, anyone should be beating epa numbers in the real world.
the cruze eco should get better mileage than my accent. its rated higher on the highway......of course, the regular cruze models (the ones they sell by far the most of) isnt.
what i will dispute is a claim that the tune that will give you 170 hp, 200 lbs tq, will allow 30 mpg city/44 highway while beating on the car.
if chevy could build such a car, they's sell them by the tons.