Amsoil 100% synthetic
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mowcowbell
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For synthetic oil, hard to beat the price on the 5qt jug of Mobil 1. Runs around $28 at the local Wal-Mart which works out to $5.60/quart. I've used Mobil 1 in all my vehicles for the past 10 years and have no issues. I really like how the oil flows quickly at start up, no 'clatter'.
Can you even get close to that price per quart with Amsoil or Royal Purple?
Darin
Can you even get close to that price per quart with Amsoil or Royal Purple?
Darin
ChrisJ
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That's one of the reasons I started using it even in my small engines like the lawn mower and pressure washer. At $28 for 5 quarts why bother with anything less?
after my courtesy oil change from the dealer needs to be changed i will be switching to the signature series amsoil. the only down side is that with a turbo or supercharged engine you dump it at 15k instead of 25k. i paid to be a dealer for it to cut my costs on buying it. you can always PM me for more info or if you have questions i can call techline and get answers. i just hope that they start making teh EA oil filters for our cars soon.
ChrisJ
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I'd like to see an analysis done on the oil at 15K. If it comes back with good results I'd consider using it.
Otherwise, nope.
turbotimmy
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I run the 5w-30 HDD in my sonic and it is good to 25k. I run the wix filter and change it twice a year. Run about 20k miles a year and oil analysis proved the oil was fine at the 20k mark when I changed it.
GeneralZod
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Royal Purple has lovers and haters. Not totally sure why on both sides. It is good, but lover or hate?
Some brands of Mobil should be avoided. I dislike their ESP line. On diesels the turbo becomes very loud. Chatter like crazy in the cold. I also avoid the M1, with the same price you can get the M1 Truck/SUV. It has more additives that make more sense for turbo charged high revving engines like ours.
Then you have the M1 Extended, which is really good. Possibly the best of the line. Like said before, if you find it at Wal-Mart buy it. You won't find it cheaper. Unless there is a sale somewhere. But most of the time, it ends up being the same price.
As for 20k OCIs, if I am changing the filter... Might as well do the oil. Tried it a few times and it was too much hassle.
Some brands of Mobil should be avoided. I dislike their ESP line. On diesels the turbo becomes very loud. Chatter like crazy in the cold. I also avoid the M1, with the same price you can get the M1 Truck/SUV. It has more additives that make more sense for turbo charged high revving engines like ours.
Then you have the M1 Extended, which is really good. Possibly the best of the line. Like said before, if you find it at Wal-Mart buy it. You won't find it cheaper. Unless there is a sale somewhere. But most of the time, it ends up being the same price.
As for 20k OCIs, if I am changing the filter... Might as well do the oil. Tried it a few times and it was too much hassle.
ChrisJ
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Is M1 truck/suv dexos1 approved?
GeneralZod
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Well, I don't see it on their site anymore. Looks like I will have to switch to high mileage or extended for the Caddie. They only show turbo Diesel for SUVs/trucks.
Synthetic Oil | Mobil 1™ Extended Performance
This is also good to go for GM
Synthetic Oil | Mobil 1™ Extended Performance
This is also good to go for GM
ChrisJ
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See thats one of the problems. I would be using 0W30 if I wasn't concerned about the whole dexos1 and warranty crap.
GeneralZod
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I agree, but I don't think I was clear. It looks like truck and SUV M1 is no longer. Looks like they got wise to people finding out about the overlap or rebadging of similar products..
ChrisJ
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jimric
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I use Mobil 5000 since my Sonic is not turbocharged
More fuel for the fire
During my 15 yr vw bug stage I learned something about syn oil. There is a theory that some chemists and engineers agree with...and others disagree with. Does syn oil transfer enough heat to work in an air/oil cooled engine? Syn oil is supposed to "ignore" heat. Didn't I see the 1.4T has an oil cooler built in? Will pure syn oil "move" enough heat or is that why GM recommends the semi-syn?
Is it con oil to help cool things and syn to maintain oil life?
During my 15 yr vw bug stage I learned something about syn oil. There is a theory that some chemists and engineers agree with...and others disagree with. Does syn oil transfer enough heat to work in an air/oil cooled engine? Syn oil is supposed to "ignore" heat. Didn't I see the 1.4T has an oil cooler built in? Will pure syn oil "move" enough heat or is that why GM recommends the semi-syn?
Is it con oil to help cool things and syn to maintain oil life?
ChrisJ
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Many air cooled motorcycles and ATVs run pure synthetic. I've never heard anyting about synthetic "ignoring heat" It transfers it as any other liquid. It simply does not burn at near as low of a temperature as conventional oil. In fact because of this I beleive it is better for an air cooled engine than conventional, it handles higher temperatures better.
You know, kind of like peanut oil vs lard for deep frying. Its like saying peanut oil ignores heat some how.
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GeneralZod
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Many air cooled motorcycles and ATVs run pure synthetic. I've never heard anyting about synthetic "ignoring heat" It transfers it as any other liquid. It simply does not burn at near as low of a temperature as conventional oil. In fact because of this I beleive it is better for an air cooled engine than conventional, it handles higher temperatures better.
You know, kind of like peanut oil vs lard for deep frying. Its like saying peanut oil ignores heat some how.
It is the terminology that is incorrect. Bornchevy is not getting information from scientist. What he is referring too is chemical and physical properties. Synthetic oils are more uniform in their numbers. So they tend to have less variations. They do not ignore heat, they just disperse it quicker. Which, could be confused with not transferring heat. This also has a inverse affect, which may take more energy to excite the oil or raise the temps. However, those are beneficial to an air cool engine. You do not want heat soaked oil in an engine. It is also the reason why the synthetics have higher threshold temperatures. More uniformity and better transference gives the oil more stability.
There may have been some issues with synthetics years ago when base stocks where oil. As technology advances, there is less oil base stock and more synthesized oil compounds.
It is the same reason people have a hard time coming to term with the fact that making ice is an exothermic reaction. Just to make ice the water must shed the latent heat. So it gives off energy, hence exothermic.
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Many air cooled motorcycles and ATVs run pure synthetic. I've never heard anyting about synthetic "ignoring heat" It transfers it as any other liquid. It simply does not burn at near as low of a temperature as conventional oil. In fact because of this I beleive it is better for an air cooled engine than conventional, it handles higher temperatures better.
You know, kind of like peanut oil vs lard for deep frying. Its like saying peanut oil ignores heat some how.
You're being too general with that statement. Different liquid types transfer heat at significantly different rates. Man made liquids have much more control over heat transfer rates based on their composition.
Of course this vw situation was 10+ yrs ago so manufacturers could have (and probably have) changed syn oil composition.
Also, I'm not sure how much you guys know about vw bug engines but a significant part of their cooling is from an oil cooler located in the fan shroud. There were some chemists at that time saying Mobil 1 simply would not absorb enough heat to transfer enough through the oil cooler. At the time this was happening with syn oil I could kill my vw engine then touch the oil cooler but with conventional oil I couldn't touch it without getting a slight burn. Don't get me wrong as the oil cooler with syn oil was still very hot just significantly cooler than with con oil.
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