So what does everyone think?

[14SonicLTZ]

Oh gas pumps at a apartment complexes complex! That would be awesome... Unfortunately coal use is coming to a bittersweet end as long as the clean air act continues to work through. There are states that are boycotting the amendment right now... People want solar and wind energy...

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[The Champ]

I have plenty of these near me...



I took this shot one January morning (-25 below zero) when I saw a spectacular sunrise coming. Got dressed and drove about 5 miles south to get the shot.

I'm sure some of you will think I'm crazy for getting up and going outside at that time in the morning when it's cold, but I had wanted to take that photo for awhile.

 

[14SonicLTZ]

Indiana is good for wind and some solar but living in Ohio neither will really work... So the infrastructure will have to improve or we will not have any electricity when coal goes away...

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[sonic13rs]

I don't see the point of having spark and sonic and cruze, once the Cruze adds a hatchback. The Cruze already gets the same or better mpg than the Sonic. The Spark is already massively cheaper and smaller. Getting rid of something makes sense.

Got this today. 2017 Chevy Cruze Hatchback Spied Testing » AutoGuide.com News

Also this for Cruze 2016 prices. http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/...495-a-231425/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=273

 

[14SonicLTZ]

I just read that... It is going to be interesting to see it more uncovered... Kind of reminds me of a Hyundai Elantra GT

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[JustSonic]

I feel like Chevy is marketing the hell out the Cruze, atleast in my area. When it comes to their cars, they are promoting the Camaro and Cruze the most. The Sonic is kinda just an interesting "what's that in the corner" car.

Whereas Ford loves to promote the praise the Fiesta and Focus have been receiving. Even Hyundai and VW love to promote their hatchs.

 

[14SonicLTZ]

I think Ford is doing quite a bit marketing wise throughout their entire product line... Heck they even made a documentary about bringing back the new Focus RS... I see mostly Buick and Silverado commercials from Gm...

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[lousypirate]

So I might have a future collector car!?

My shoulders are about the same width as the spark

 

[carsNskis]

Curious to see where this Cruze Hatch lands in the market. Focus class?

Perhaps the Spark grows up in the next gen and becomes a Fiesta fighter.

The Cruze coupe rendering would be awesome. Could take some brz/86/civic market share

it's not the size, it's how you drive it....

 

[The Champ]

I feel like Chevy is marketing the hell out the Cruze, atleast in my area. When it comes to their cars, they are promoting the Camaro and Cruze the most. The Sonic is kinda just an interesting "what's that in the corner" car.

Whereas Ford loves to promote the praise the Fiesta and Focus have been receiving. Even Hyundai and VW love to promote their hatchs.

Interestingly enough, on the Camaro board I belong to, one of the members (who sold Ford products) complained that GM spends too much money on ads compared to Ford.

This came up when Chevy got the Motor Trend Car of the Year award for the Camaro and the Truck of the Year award for the Colorado. He claimed that GM was "buying" he award. Of course I then reminded him that Ford has won the award before too - so Ford must have "bought" them too...

Ford did have a Focus TV commercial last year, but not one for the Fiesta.

It makes sense for Chevy to promote the Camaro as it's an icon car. The Cruze is a much more profitable car than the Sonic and it attracts more people. The Cruze outsells the Sonic by nearly 4 to 1.

Advertising is done to get people on the lots. Once they get there, people buy what they buy - often by how much they can afford.

If the Cruze ad gets someone on the lot and they end up buying a Sonic, GM is still happy.

 

[JustSonic]

I'm just speaking from personal experience. Ford didn't even ask what vehicle I was looking for or could afford before shoving the Fiesta/Focus and the F150 down my throat.

Chevy started rambling on about the Cruze and Camaro before asking. Even then they kept trying to push the Cruze over the Sonic when I said I wanted a small sporty car.

 

[14SonicLTZ]

I must be lucky... I actually have good dealerships local to me...

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[The Champ]

I grew up in the auto business (dad sold cars for over 45 years) and have actually sold cars myself.

When selling cars, a good salesman needs to ask a lot of questions and actually listen to the customer before ever showing them a car. Failure to do that typically leads to a "no sale".

When I go on the lot to look at cars, I actually know more about what I have decided to look at than 90% of the salesman. I also already know how much dealer cost is and all the incentives that are available.

My negotiations are short and sweet. Sell me the car at a fair price or I walk. If I walk, they don't get a second chance.