1-2 shift grinding status

[Larry]

No offense but as an owner of Jeep Grand Cherokee since new, previous owner of 4 other Chrysler products, I think you are uninformed. Nothing personal but Chrysler would be my last choice.
Having said all that, the real issue you have is with your dealer. What has been the response. I have not seen anything on this forum that leads me to believe GM is "ignoring" the "problem". Truthfully we all need more information to determine what is going on. Seems as if it is a synchro issue.

No offense taken.

Here's some food for thought though. One person's experience does not mean much when looking at the big picture. Humans in general like to believe that when something happens to us, it means the entire brand or service in is poor. Every brand has defects, the rotten egg in dealerships, etc.

 

[KartRacer]

No offense taken.

Here's some food for thought though. One person's experience does not mean much when looking at the big picture. Humans in general like to believe that when something happens to us, it means the entire brand or service in is poor. Every brand has defects, the rotten egg in dealerships, etc.

Excellent point!

 

[ChrisJ]

Larry,

I agree except from my experience Kia has the WORST dealers. We went to four Kia dealers in one day and gave up on trying to buy a car from them.

 

[Larry]

Larry,

I agree except from my experience Kia has the WORST dealers. We went to four Kia dealers in one day and gave up on trying to buy a car from them.

I won't lie, I have heard that Kia dealerships are bad. However, the one I bought my Forte from was pretty good.

 

[klystron]

The dealer has been great. They tried really hard to fix the problem. They wound up following GM's instructions to put in all these parts multiple times. The dealer did damage the car, however. While replacing the transmission they had a support bar across the top holding the engine up and it dented the heck out of some sheet metal under there that caused the hood to close crooked and scratched up a bunch of paint. GM finally said they were buying the car back and never moved on it. Instead they wanted me to come in for another part. I reluctantly agreed even though the lemon law had long since been disobeyed. That did not fix the problem so they wanted to put more parts in. When I said I would have to get a lawyer they stopped putting parts in it.

 

[Larry]

The dealer has been great. They tried really hard to fix the problem. They wound up following GM's instructions to put in all these parts multiple times. The dealer did damage the car, however. While replacing the transmission they had a support bar across the top holding the engine up and it dented the heck out of some sheet metal under there that caused the hood to close crooked and scratched up a bunch of paint. GM finally said they were buying the car back and never moved on it. Instead they wanted me to come in for another part. I reluctantly agreed even though the lemon law had long since been disobeyed. That did not fix the problem so they wanted to put more parts in. When I said I would have to get a lawyer they stopped putting parts in it.

So did they buy it back?

 

[dkennedy1989]

The dealer has been great. They tried really hard to fix the problem. They wound up following GM's instructions to put in all these parts multiple times. The dealer did damage the car, however. While replacing the transmission they had a support bar across the top holding the engine up and it dented the heck out of some sheet metal under there that caused the hood to close crooked and scratched up a bunch of paint. GM finally said they were buying the car back and never moved on it. Instead they wanted me to come in for another part. I reluctantly agreed even though the lemon law had long since been disobeyed. That did not fix the problem so they wanted to put more parts in. When I said I would have to get a lawyer they stopped putting parts in it.

Not good to tell a dealership that your getting a lawyer, even for lemon law because they won't want to do anything to the car, found that out the hard way on my dodge avenger, ended up having to trade it in after a settlement cause no dodge dealer would fix it.


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[klystron]

So did they buy it back?

No. They won't even "consider" buying it back until I remove the pedders (car only mod.) I offered to pay the dealer $515 (a bit high for shocks/springs labor since I have all original parts) out of pocket if they'd give me in writing they'd buy the car back. Answer was repeatedly "we cannot guarantee a buyback". The lawyer told me to leave the car as-is. BTW, this was all after they had already said they were buying it back and they stopped work on the vehicle then wanted me to come in for another part.

dkennedy you may be right, however one of the reasons for the lemon law in my state is so I don't bring the car back for the same problem more than 3 times. (6 times and counting) I live 30 miles away from the dealer.

 

[Larry]

No. They won't even "consider" buying it back until I remove the pedders (car only mod.) I offered to pay the dealer $515 (a bit high for shocks/springs labor since I have all original parts) out of pocket if they'd give me in writing they'd buy the car back. Answer was repeatedly "we cannot guarantee a buyback". The lawyer told me to leave the car as-is. BTW, this was all after they had already said they were buying it back and they stopped work on the vehicle then wanted me to come in for another part.

dkennedy you may be right, however one of the reasons for the lemon law in my state is so I don't bring the car back for the same problem more than 3 times. (6 times and counting) I live 30 miles away from the dealer.

Dude I've dealt with the same issue before, but it was a VW Golf GTI. I got a lawyer and you know what happened? I lost $500 bucks paying the lawyer and got to keep the ****ty car.

 

[klystron]

Dude I've dealt with the same issue before, but it was a VW Golf GTI. I got a lawyer and you know what happened? I lost $500 bucks paying the lawyer and got to keep the ****ty car.

Lawyer took it on contingency.

 

[dkennedy1989]

No. They won't even "consider" buying it back until I remove the pedders (car only mod.) I offered to pay the dealer $515 (a bit high for shocks/springs labor since I have all original parts) out of pocket if they'd give me in writing they'd buy the car back. Answer was repeatedly "we cannot guarantee a buyback". The lawyer told me to leave the car as-is. BTW, this was all after they had already said they were buying it back and they stopped work on the vehicle then wanted me to come in for another part.

dkennedy you may be right, however one of the reasons for the lemon law in my state is so I don't bring the car back for the same problem more than 3 times. (6 times and counting) I live 30 miles away from the dealer.

In my state it was for 4 or more times, once dodge heard I was doing lemon law they stopped trying to fix my car, with chevy I just stopped going in because they basically were doing the same



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[klystron]

So what did you wind up doing, dkennedy1989? DId you keep the car? Are you talking abouut your sonic?

 

[dkennedy1989]

So what did you wind up doing, dkennedy1989? DId you keep the car? Are you talking abouut your sonic?

I ended up losing 3 grand from purchase price with lemon law in mi was supposed to get exact money back but didn't and had to sell it so I wouldn't be stuck with a car not working properly. I sold the avenger to buy my Sonic RS, but I have problems with it also.


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[NewZJ]

I'll chime in.

I replaced the stock transmission fluid with Amsoil 75w-90 gear oil about two thousand miles ago and have no grinding issues anymore.

it could either be the fluid or my habits changed but I have even tried really quick cold shifts and it doesn't grind when before I could get it to grind on demand.

 

[klystron]

I'll chime in.

I replaced the stock transmission fluid with Amsoil 75w-90 gear oil about two thousand miles ago and have no grinding issues anymore.

it could either be the fluid or my habits changed but I have even tried really quick cold shifts and it doesn't grind when before I could get it to grind on demand.

Others have reported luck with different fluid. There is talk that the spec on the transmission from the manufacturer is to use a different fluid than the one GM says to use. Either way, there is no excuse for a new car to grind. If changing fluid fixes a grind then that just means you are hiding a more serious problem. Just my two cents. Lawyer called today but I was swamped and couldnt' get back to him.

 

[SuperFudd]

I saw this on Motor Trend's long term Verano review today.

the manual Verano is difficult to shift smoothly -- especially shifting from first to second gear. It's hard to pinpoint exactly where the problem lies, but it feels like a combination of the clutch's vague engagement point and the shifter's unusually long throws. All the finesse in my body couldn't prevent a jerky one-two upshift.

Read more: 2013 Buick Verano Turbo Long-Term Update 3: Go North, Small Buick - Motor Trend WOT

 

[klystron]

I saw this on Motor Trend's long term Verano review today.



Read more: 2013 Buick Verano Turbo Long-Term Update 3: Go North, Small Buick - Motor Trend WOT

Interesting, thanks. I probalby will not get another car if I get rid of the Sonic. The sonic sure is fun to drive though despite being slow at the low end. I love how this car handles with the Pedders. It's a little go-kart. If anything I was interested in the Focus ST but I'll probably just keep driving the Cobalt.

 

[KartRacer]

Interesting, thanks. I probalby will not get another car if I get rid of the Sonic. The sonic sure is fun to drive though despite being slow at the low end. I love how this car handles with the Pedders. It's a little go-kart. If anything I was interested in the Focus ST but I'll probably just keep driving the Cobalt.

You need to re-read that article. He was not able to shift and release clutch smoothly. It has nothing to do with Synchros. Personally I can MAKE it grind, but have no problems with shifting at 5500 and having the little motor pull hard.
Everyone needs to keep in mind that this car is not a racer. Could it be better, of course but at $18,000 to $20,000 there is nothing better. Just my opinion!

 

[klystron]

You need to re-read that article. He was not able to shift and release clutch smoothly. It has nothing to do with Synchros. Personally I can MAKE it grind, but have no problems with shifting at 5500 and having the little motor pull hard.
Everyone needs to keep in mind that this car is not a racer. Could it be better, of course but at $18,000 to $20,000 there is nothing better. Just my opinion!

I don't think I said anything about synchros and that article.

My cobalt was $12,700 out the door brand new and I cannot make it grind no matter what I do. Not a race car either.

 

[KartRacer]

I don't think I said anything about synchros and that article.

My cobalt was $12,700 out the door brand new and I cannot make it grind no matter what I do. Not a race car either.

I totally understand that the problem should not exist, just wanted to clarify that the article was not referring to our issue but rather that the test driver could not operate the car correctly.
I purposely put the issue on record at my dealer with the hope that a solution will be coming at some point.