Carnage Asada...
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Sonic_Boost
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This is indeed porn and magnificent works of art, good for you. What is the large silver thing behind the coolant res?
Also, what would you say the biggest difficulty is in making a manifold, etc for our engines. Is it a space issue? Obviously costs/time but besides those. Lets say you were given a blank check to build a (perfect) big turbo set up for our engines, what would be needed that is currently holding you back? And i say perfect because you have obviously already done wonderfully in doing it. I've been following all your threads so i know the surge is a big issue. Theres no motive behind my question besides simply being curious.
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rdss
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$ub$onic
The Sticker Guy
Paying an additional $800 to have a turbo which doesn't need rebuilt every few hundred miles seems like an easy decision. The fact the Borg will have more headroom and likely spool faster is just icing on the cake.
Ha! I need to get back on that for sure, and I doubt it would be so damn irritating!
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I agree. In order to feel good about using this turbo I would need to upgrade all of them to the larger thrust collars and better thrust bearing. There's also cutting, welding, and porting of the waste gate that also has to be done. Then there's the surge....
On paper, this turbo matched up beautifully, but the reality is it isn't. The problem with the EFRs for this application is two fold. First off, my goal was a sub $2,500 dollar turbo kit for the masses. If $1600 is just for turbo, I don't know how I can accomplish that. Secondly, they are enormous. I don't know if I could even get one in there.
If I had one to test fit with, and it actually fit, I'd be much more inclined to learn towards using that turbo for all benefits it has over the current choice.
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Blue Moon Sonic
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At this point I could care less of the price for this kit. The quality and performance gains will be worth it regardless.
vento
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Until you come to the point where it would have been better to just buy a different car...
Yes I understand that isn't the point (hell I dropped a grand on exhaust for my 1.8...), but if you have an unlimited budget why start with a platform that has many weaknesses and if its truly unlimited why not just swap in a better motor like the 2.0L DI out of a Regal GS or Malibu? I believe that's what they are using in the GRC sonics anyway.
Yes I understand that isn't the point (hell I dropped a grand on exhaust for my 1.8...), but if you have an unlimited budget why start with a platform that has many weaknesses and if its truly unlimited why not just swap in a better motor like the 2.0L DI out of a Regal GS or Malibu? I believe that's what they are using in the GRC sonics anyway.
Blue Moon Sonic
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You do have a good point about the unlimited budget part. If that were the case most people here would be thinking of swapping to the 2.0 DI engines from the regal/malibu, which just seems impractical.
While I haven't seen a 6258 next to a 2056 I don't think it's too terribly much bigger. It's wider more than anything iirc... If you need more width just relocate the coolant reservoir over a bit and use some of that space. I know all of this is easier said than done but I've seen bigger turbos in smaller engine bays, just have to find the right position!
opcorn:Although Vento brings up an interesting point, if there comes a time where the 2.0 out of a GS etc is more cost effective it might be worth looking into. Power/potential is already there, as long as it could be a clean swap (no electrical nightmares) it'd be enticing. If there is a manual swap that could go with it that might help reliability as well. Just a thought.
Have I mentioned I'm interested in my sonic having more reliable power, someone needs to make something happen!
ScarabEpic22
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It's going to be an electrical nightmare...just saying. The 2L DI motors use a different ECM which likely (just speculation, but I've seen this go sideways on many other GM platforms) means the cluster, ABS, BCM, etc will not function correctly when paired. BUT, I'd GLADLY eat my own words and drop a 2L DI motor into my Sonic.
Might have to set it up where the E39/E39A ECMs run the engine (and a T76 for auto, same TCM we use but in a vastly different trans and therefore the OS/Calibration is different) then send the RPM/VSS/etc signals to the E78 to run the cluster/creature comforts. That's the route I'd take immediately, then sort out if the E39/E39A can run our cluster/creature comforts at a later date once it's running properly.
Happy to help with tuning knowledge/swap, just let me know.
Might have to set it up where the E39/E39A ECMs run the engine (and a T76 for auto, same TCM we use but in a vastly different trans and therefore the OS/Calibration is different) then send the RPM/VSS/etc signals to the E78 to run the cluster/creature comforts. That's the route I'd take immediately, then sort out if the E39/E39A can run our cluster/creature comforts at a later date once it's running properly.
Happy to help with tuning knowledge/swap, just let me know.
These diagrams say otherwise. The EFR is almost 4" longer(98.9mm) and the comp cover is much larger in diameter.While I haven't seen a 6258 next to a 2056 I don't think it's too terribly much bigger. It's wider more than anything iirc... If you need more width just relocate the coolant reservoir over a bit and use some of that space. I know all of this is easier said than done but I've seen bigger turbos in smaller engine bays, just have to find the right position!
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Yea I forgot how small those 2056's are... Still though, I would imagine with some creative manifold design it could be made to work. We have faith in your skills.
Edit: attempting to connect to the stock intake position will likely be futile effort however.
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Scot
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Time would be far better spent on buying a z20ler from the U.K. and bolting that into the car.It's going to be an electrical nightmare...just saying. The 2L DI motors use a different ECM which likely (just speculation, but I've seen this go sideways on many other GM platforms) means the cluster, ABS, BCM, etc will not function correctly when paired. BUT, I'd GLADLY eat my own words and drop a 2L DI motor into my Sonic.
Might have to set it up where the E39/E39A ECMs run the engine (and a T76 for auto, same TCM we use but in a vastly different trans and therefore the OS/Calibration is different) then send the RPM/VSS/etc signals to the E78 to run the cluster/creature comforts. That's the route I'd take immediately, then sort out if the E39/E39A can run our cluster/creature comforts at a later date once it's running properly.
Happy to help with tuning knowledge/swap, just let me know.