2017 chevy sonic rs 2016 ny autoshow

[The Champ]

A quick glance at the tach will tell you what gear your in - in case you forget what gear you most recently shifted into.

Been driving sticks for decades and never thought of having a gear indicator.

 

[Kannisto]

A quick glance at the tach will tell you what gear your in - in case you forget what gear you most recently shifted into.

Been driving sticks for decades and never thought of having a gear indicator.

It's merely a matter of convenience. What you are suggesting is to do the math based on my speed and rpm. I'd rather just see a gear # on my dash. My complaint is valid and i guarantee I've been driving stick just as long.

 

[carsNskis]

Any chance they're putting in some real power this time around for the RS. Or that they'll release an SS version? Anyone know. I'd love to buy a Sonic with an SS badge on it! Plus it's the only way that I'm gonna trade in my Sonic.

It's highly unlikely. The Turbo 4 Camaro would lose sales to a Chevy with less cost and more power potential...

....if it has tits or tires it can be upgraded

 

[RMinNJ]

It's highly unlikely. The Turbo 4 Camaro would lose sales to a Chevy with less cost and more power potential...

....if it has tits or tires it can be upgraded

Ford did not seem worried about that with the Fiesta and focus ST.
The Fiesta ST at the auto show will generate more sales for Ford while the Sonic not ao much.. The marketing disparity was interesting to see.

 

[bluejay]

A quick glance at the tach will tell you what gear your in - in case you forget what gear you most recently shifted into.

Been driving sticks for decades and never thought of having a gear indicator.

i think a gear indicator would be a great idea for new drivers . especially seeing how the little shift light always has me ending up in 6th doing 60kmh lol . the indicator should flash or do something to help drivers be in a proper crusing gear. and help select a good passing gear . we all learned how to drive stick on our own with our brains, it would be nice to get feedback out of the car to let me know what im doing is right .

 

[carsNskis]

Ford did not seem worried about that with the Fiesta and focus ST.
The Fiesta ST at the auto show will generate more sales for Ford while the Sonic not ao much.. The marketing disparity was interesting to see.

Ford has a better pulse on the hatch market, but Chevy is coming along. I believe once the T4 Camaro has some time to develop Chevy will give the Sonic some love.

....if it has tits or tires it can be upgraded

 

[JustSonic]

Some concerns:

1. Why such a large lower grille? It looks like it's trying to scoop up plankton.
2. Why a non-functional upper grille? Doesn't even look good, so why?
3. Why did they copy the rear end from my wife's Spark? No originality there.
4. Why a RS badge up front and an LT badge at the rear?
5. Cloth seats? Let's pull out the best we have for an auto show premiere!
6. Same Hankook Optimo tires huh? Let's see if nobody notices any change there.
7. Does Chevy listen to anyone?! Where is our ~200hp FiST fighter? Is the RS just a worse gearing version of the LTZ again?
8. Again, does Chevy listen to anyone?!? Performance is what we needed. The styling was great. Looked like a compact Evo rally car! But now it's just a chubby Spark.

 

[Kannisto]

Some concerns:

1. Why such a large lower grille? It looks like it's trying to scoop up plankton.
2. Why a non-functional upper grille? Doesn't even look good, so why?
3. Why did they copy the rear end from my wife's Spark? No originality there.
4. Why a RS badge up front and an LT badge at the rear?
5. Cloth seats? Let's pull out the best we have for an auto show premiere!
6. Same Hankook Optimo tires huh? Let's see if nobody notices any change there.
7. Does Chevy listen to anyone?! Where is our ~200hp FiST fighter? Is the RS just a worse gearing version of the LTZ again?
8. Again, does Chevy listen to anyone?!? Performance is what we needed. The styling was great. Looked like a compact Evo rally car! But now it's just a chubby Spark.

Im going to go out on a limb and assume you own an LTZ? Lol.

 

[The Champ]

The Fiesta ST at the auto show will generate more sales for Ford while the Sonic not ao much.. The marketing disparity was interesting to see.

The Sonic continues to outsell it the Fiesta, as it has since every year since it's introduction in 2012. Chevy has sold 337,813 Sonics compared to Ford's 266,361 Fiestas.

Very few people want the Fiesta ST. That's why Ford doesn't make very many of them.

Ford better hope that they can generate more sales - if they want to catch the Sonic. Not sure the ST is going to do that for them.

 

[The Champ]

It's merely a matter of convenience. What you are suggesting is to do the math based on my speed and rpm. I'd rather just see a gear # on my dash. My complaint is valid and i guarantee I've been driving stick just as long.

I don't think your complaint is valid, and your guaranteed is bogus.

I was driving a stick decades before you were born.

I first drove a stick since 1969, and have never had a gear indicator on any manual transmission vehicle I've ever driven. I've never even had the thought of wanting one.

Maybe I'm just more into cars than you are. I don't need to do math to calculate what gear I'm in.

I may be old, but I'm not so old I can't remember the last gear I put the car into.

 

[The Champ]

Some concerns:

1. Why such a large lower grille? It looks like it's trying to scoop up plankton.
2. Why a non-functional upper grille? Doesn't even look good, so why?
3. Why did they copy the rear end from my wife's Spark? No originality there.
4. Why a RS badge up front and an LT badge at the rear?
5. Cloth seats? Let's pull out the best we have for an auto show premiere!
6. Same Hankook Optimo tires huh? Let's see if nobody notices any change there.
7. Does Chevy listen to anyone?! Where is our ~200hp FiST fighter? Is the RS just a worse gearing version of the LTZ again?
8. Again, does Chevy listen to anyone?!? Performance is what we needed. The styling was great. Looked like a compact Evo rally car! But now it's just a chubby Spark.

1. Have you looked at the current styling trends? Look at the front end of a Lexus performance sedan.
2. Evidently it's not needed for cooling. Styling is subjective.
3. Were they "copying" the Spark or just going with the new updated Chevy styling.
4. The LT badge on the rear shows that it is an RS LT. The uplevel RS is the Premium.
5. The Sonic LT has cloth seats. The Premier would have the leather.
6. The Hankook tires aren't good in my opinion, but they are inexpensive. Considering how you seem to dislike change, why are you upset?
7. The FiST doesn't sell very well, why do they need to fight it. The RS has been a performance geared vehicle - the LTZ is a luxury vehicle. Two different markets.
8. I don't even want to try and comment on this point.

 

[Natesriv]

It is odd...in a way... They'll make 600+ HP Camaro's Corvettes, hell the new Impala will have over 400 hp.... but the lowly Sonic and Spark trundle on with minimal attention... I'd say that would be a good entry for new GM buyers... don't need to make 100K a year of them, just enough to make people say "What's that?"

Oh well, this is just an MCE, an all new Sonic will probably arrive late 2018'ish.... let's see and hope!

 

[Kannisto]

I don't think your complaint is valid, and your guaranteed is bogus.

I was driving a stick decades before you were born.

I first drove a stick since 1969, and have never had a gear indicator on any manual transmission vehicle I've ever driven. I've never even had the thought of wanting one.

Maybe I'm just more into cars than you are. I don't need to do math to calculate what gear I'm in.

I may be old, but I'm not so old I can't remember the last gear I put the car into.

Um ok? I merely wanted a gear indicator as a luxury. I don't NEED it and frankly it's not a big deal. But hey you're clearly the stick master and my opinion is irrelevant.

I've "only" been driving stick for 17 years but i've obviously had more stick vehicles (10 bought, 7 bulit/restored) then you because most, if not all of them had gear indicators. How you've never owned a car with one is beyond me...

I also prefer power windows. Does that make me less of an enthusiast for not wanting to hand crank my windows?

Regardless of what you say, when you know what gear you're in based on your rpm and speed you ARE using math to calculate the gear. It may only take us 0.8 seconds to figure it out, but having a gear indicator takes no thinking at all. Also it's not a matter of "forgetting what gear I'm in" but the fact that most the time when I'm driving i shift subconsciously.

Next time you feel like insulting my knowledge keep in mind I'm an engineer and fabricator by trade. Thanks for the ignorant reply.

 

[Kannisto]

It is odd...in a way... They'll make 600+ HP Camaro's Corvettes, hell the new Impala will have over 400 hp.... but the lowly Sonic and Spark trundle on with minimal attention... I'd say that would be a good entry for new GM buyers... don't need to make 100K a year of them, just enough to make people say "What's that?"

Oh well, this is just an MCE, an all new Sonic will probably arrive late 2018'ish.... let's see and hope!

You do realize the sonic has the most power in it's class (other then the FiST) right? Imagine how honda fit, hyundai accent etc. buyers feel...

GM has given the sonic sufficient attention especially when you compare how they treated the aveo. No we do not have a 200 hp model. That's because the 1.4 turbo is more then sufficient for the sonic chassis.

 

[Natesriv]

you confuse sufficient with exhilarating... The Fiesta ST is that example... senseless, too expensive, not great MPG's... but fun to drive, carves the road, emphasizes Ford's sporting nature.

An RS badge ain't quite the same.

 

[Kannisto]

you confuse sufficient with exhilarating... The Fiesta ST is that example... senseless, too expensive, not great MPG's... but fun to drive, carves the road, emphasizes Ford's sporting nature.

An RS badge ain't quite the same.

The RS isn't a fiesta ST nor should it be. Thats for an SS badge.

Again imagine how other subcompact buyers feel. You should be grateful gm gave us even the 1.4t.

 

[Natesriv]

agreed...an SS... and yet it exist in theory only...
Wouldn't have bought anything but the turbo.. GM should be grateful I bought it!

 

[Kannisto]

agreed...an SS... and yet it exist in theory only...
Wouldn't have bought anything but the turbo.. GM should be grateful I bought it!

One thing i've noticed on these forums though is that the only people who complane about the RS are people who own lower models. It sounds like buyers remorse.

 

[Natesriv]

It's COMPLAIN
69 posts and you're already annoying.....

 

[Kannisto]

It's COMPLAIN
69 posts and you're already annoying.....

Wow you actually took the time to reply to correct a spelling error? This is a car forum not english 101.