CheapFuneral
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Why can't I shoot my rifle at the clay? I'm pretty sure I could hit some...
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ahtoxa
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Um, because at the trajectory you are shooting, the rifle round will easily travel a couple of miles and land somewhere. Or on someone. Shot that's used in clays (between #7 and #9 in size, usually) will only travel a couple hundred yards, if that, and fall down harmlessly. Buckshot will go further, but you don't use Buckshot to shoot clays. Or slugs, of course. Those will fly far as well and will do some real nasty damage.
CheapFuneral
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RobbyS
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I've never shot trap, only skeet. It's not very hard once you figure out what to use and how much you should lead by. I've been meaning to put this up in the firearm section, but here's the new gun:
Browning Citori Lightning
It's a lot of fun if you go buy a little plastic clay bird thrower from Walmart and take turns with a friend.
Browning Citori Lightning
It's a lot of fun if you go buy a little plastic clay bird thrower from Walmart and take turns with a friend.
ahtoxa
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I don't see why not. A rifled barrel is still attached to a Shotgun. You remove it in 5 seconds and attach a smoothbore. Done.
A friend has taken deer reliably and humanely at 70-100 with a smooth bore and foster slugs. He has used rifle sights and low powered optics before. Granted, I wouldn't attempt a triple digit shot like that with a smoothbore, but he's a much better shot than me.
Shotguns have been used to him deer alongside with rifles for as long as the two have been around.
A friend has taken deer reliably and humanely at 70-100 with a smooth bore and foster slugs. He has used rifle sights and low powered optics before. Granted, I wouldn't attempt a triple digit shot like that with a smoothbore, but he's a much better shot than me.
Shotguns have been used to him deer alongside with rifles for as long as the two have been around.
Shotguns are fine for what they are, but they definitely have their limitations. In my opinion, there is a huge difference between 70-100 yards (even 100 is probably pushing it for most smoothbores) and 150 yards (a range that should be reserved for a dedicated rifled-slug gun).
If you can't shoot shot through it with a rifled barrel equipped, then it's not really a shotgun anymore, but a slug gun. And a decent rifled barrel costs more than half the price of a new 870 express.
The biggest reason that these rifled-slug guns exist is that many states won't let you hunt with a "high-powered" rifle, thereby creating a market for the mediocre rifled-barrel slug gun. Nearly any purpose-built rifle would be better suited to any given situation than a slug gun. Personally, I much prefer to use my .50 T/C Thunderhawk for Ohio deer gun season. I may only have one shot, but I am confident that I know where it will land.
If swapping out multiple barrels on a single action makes a gun the "best all around gun ever", then I would have to vote for a T/C Encore or Contender, although a combination gun would be more versatile on the fly.
If you can't shoot shot through it with a rifled barrel equipped, then it's not really a shotgun anymore, but a slug gun. And a decent rifled barrel costs more than half the price of a new 870 express.
The biggest reason that these rifled-slug guns exist is that many states won't let you hunt with a "high-powered" rifle, thereby creating a market for the mediocre rifled-barrel slug gun. Nearly any purpose-built rifle would be better suited to any given situation than a slug gun. Personally, I much prefer to use my .50 T/C Thunderhawk for Ohio deer gun season. I may only have one shot, but I am confident that I know where it will land.
If swapping out multiple barrels on a single action makes a gun the "best all around gun ever", then I would have to vote for a T/C Encore or Contender, although a combination gun would be more versatile on the fly.
ahtoxa
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There is no doubt that shotguns have their limitations. Of course they do, because they compromise a lot when you get down to fine details.
But, there is no firearm that's more versatile than it. Hard to deny that. So what of a rifled barrel costs half of a new express model? That's only $110 or so.
If I could only have one gun and it had to do it all as best it could, I would the a 12 gauge Shotgun with no hesitation.
But, there is no firearm that's more versatile than it. Hard to deny that. So what of a rifled barrel costs half of a new express model? That's only $110 or so.
If I could only have one gun and it had to do it all as best it could, I would the a 12 gauge Shotgun with no hesitation.
ahtoxa
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Au contraire. Same serial number - same gun. If I put optics on a rifle with iron sights, it helps me get more accuracy over longer range. I fail to see how that is different from swapping a barrel, which gives me the same thing fundamentally - more accuracy at longer range. I don't follow your argument.
ChrisJ
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ChrisJ
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I was shooting holes in 1/4" steel plate with an M16 and it has close to zero kickback.
I think it's more than adequate for most things.
Not to mention it holds 20 rounds per magazine.
I thought the discussion at hand was if you had to choose only one, what would it be.
I chose.
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CheapFuneral
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If I had to use 1 gun it would be one of them 4 barrel guns, 2 12g, a 22lr, and a 308.
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mitdr774
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Punching a hole in steel with a round that doesn't expand, is not the same as humanely putting an animal down. My guess is that you were using 62 grain loads. Probably ss109/m855 with a green tip. That is not a load designed for doing much other than punching a small hole. For game, or anything you are trying to kill really, you want expansion. Produces a larger wound channel, dumps just about all it's energy in the target, and puts the game down as quickly and humanely as possible.
In Michigan it's illegal to use anything smaller caliber than .243 for deer. A proper load for hunting with a .223 just doesn't have the power and expansion to reliably put deer down.
In Michigan it's illegal to use anything smaller caliber than .243 for deer. A proper load for hunting with a .223 just doesn't have the power and expansion to reliably put deer down.
ChrisJ
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ahtoxa
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An AR (or an M16) would be a terrible choice as the only practical rifle have. Too weak to humanely bring down larger game such as deer, but too powerful for small game such as squirrel or rabbit. Can't take down birds with it either - you'd have to be an extremely good shot, or you'd just be wasting ammo. You can hunt with it - and people do - but the round's ballistics aren't great. You're much more reliant on very accurate shot placement, unless you want to stalk the dying, bleeding deer through thick brush for miles. That's not humane or effective.
ahtoxa
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Many people choose an over-under as their go-to bush gun. A .22LR barrel below and a 20 gauge shotgun barrel on top. Very versatile.
