GT2560 Turbo on DDMW Site

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So it appears that the Garrett Turbo that has shown up on DDMW site has sparked a bit of confusion and excitement. I figured I'd make a thread to centralize the discussion before countless threads start appearing and also decided to put it in DDMW's sub forum so Dave can find it and maybe enlighten us more.

It is my belief that I have reached the limits of the stock turbo, and have since decided on upgrading and have been deeply researching the options. Also I've been consulting often with Dave on a Garrett selection that is right for my project.

NOTE:
My goal is all out peak horsepower with less consideration for usable power in the daily driver range. With this in mind Dave helped me zero in on the GT2560 and I gladly ordered it through him in attempt to support his magnificent company.

I also sent him an OEM 1.4 exhaust mani to modify a flange onto for the GT25.

It has since appeared on his site for sale. But I'm sure he can also offer just about any other model of Garrett turbo if a different size is more suitable for your project. IMO the GT2252 would make a great mid-range monster.

If you haven't already, take the time to understand turbo sizing by reading up on this thread:
http://www.sonicownersforum.com/forum/aftermarket-crowd/8092-turbo-selection-sizing-turbo.html

As you all know Dave is a very busy tuner, especially more so with other actual sports car models. Sometimes you have to be patient to get answers. So I figure I'll try my best to answer some FAQs that are popping up.

The GT2560 or ANY aftermarket turbo WILL NOT be a direct bolt on.

You WILL need to modify exhaust, intake, oil/water lines, BOV and tune.

The GT2560 on his site is just a Turbo. NOT A KIT.

Once we get my install completed, I suspect he will put a full kit into production, but these things take time. So in the interim, it would be smart to read up on as much knowledge about turbos as you can if you are unfamiliar.

I also want to thank Dave for helping me put this swap together and relieving some of my uncertainties.

I promise to create a thread about the progress very soon and share details and pics every step of the way.

 

[Fry]

To boldly go where no Sonic has gone before!

I look forward to reading all the schnazzy details. Thank you for your awesome explorations!

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[sonic007]

Can we get a turbo kit for the 1.8 before the 1.4 gets another kit???? Lol


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Vendors are prolly gonna start pushing to make kits soon. But with the price tags involved, I'd think maybe only a couple will sell the first year.

Then the jelly wallets will begin to open up.

 

[rdss]

Can we get a turbo kit for the 1.8 before the 1.4 gets another kit???? Lol


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Good luck!

 

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I actually think a 1.8 turbo kit will sell more quantity than a 1.4 kit. But it is definitely more involved.

The kit would have to be installer friendly and include EVERYTHING.

 

[$ub$onic]

I actually think a 1.8 turbo kit will sell more quantity than a 1.4 kit. But it is definitely more involved.

The kit would have to be installer friendly and include EVERYTHING.

Agree with everything. And it would not be cheap either. But coming from Dave you know it would be quality.

 

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Good luck!

I believe you meant to click on this, but ended up here by accident.

Turbo Kits for Subaru STi

 

[Luv2xlr8]

Lol

 

[rdss]

I believe you meant to click on this, but ended up here by accident.

Turbo Kits for Subaru STi

Guess I'm not welcome here anymore....... I'm pretty sure I don't need a turbo upgrade yet, well at least not to get into the 13's, it does that stock.

 

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Don't get all sensitive. You are always welcome here. But you can't deny that you've opened yourself up for sneaky jabs. Which I will occasionally offer.

 

[rdss]

You know me better than that, sensitive isn't my thing. I wouldn't expect anything less than a jab or two.

Back on topic!! I am looking forward to what this set up will do for you.

 

[sx sonic]

Exciting.

Vince how cross compatible are most turbos for the 1.4t and 1.8? For example how would the 2252 fare as a 1.8 upgrade?

You've crunched the numbers so I figure I'll ask what many are more or less thinking.

 

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I think the 2252 would be reasonable for either 1.4 or 1.8.

The key with the 1.8 kit concept is that the majority of 1.8 owners won't be interested in rebuilding the engine ($$$$$) to withstand medium-high boost.
Whereas the 1.4 comes from the factory with the capacity for medium boost.

But until one is installed, it is all concept and theory. I'm doing my best to to expedite the swap to give a real world review, at least for the Gt2560 on the 1.4. It may end up that the 2560 isn't to big for all around usability.

But my impression is that the 1.8 will happier a turbo with an efficiency range at a lower boost level, like 8psi, which would be the 2252 or Borg K03.

 

[DevilSonic89]

I think the 2252 would be reasonable for either 1.4 or 1.8.

The key with the 1.8 kit concept is that the majority of 1.8 owners won't be interested in rebuilding the engine ($$$$$) to withstand medium-high boost.
Whereas the 1.4 comes from the factory with the capacity for medium boost.

But until one is installed, it is all concept and theory. I'm doing my best to to expedite the swap to give a real world review, at least for the Gt2560 on the 1.4. It may end up that the 2560 isn't to big for all around usability.

But my impression is that the 1.8 will happier a turbo with an efficiency range at a lower boost level, like 8psi, which would be the 2252 or Borg K03.

i would spend that money!! lol

 

[vento]

Having taken the manifold off the 1.8, I don't know how much boost it could handle, you may have to remove the tumbler that changes the intake runner length. Seems like that would be a major point of failure under load.

 

[xsonicLTZx]

Such hard choices to make, I for one appreciate you Preloader for digging into this and doing a fantastic job of documenting everything thus far.

I am so on the fence with my 1.8. I either want to wait for a turbo kit to come out for it, I am only looking for a low 200hp car, or motor swap in a 1.4t at some point. Or in a year or so time frame trade in my ride for a RS....but i really like my IOM paint, its unique.

If i end up throwing a turbo on my 1.8 how much of a headache will I have when it comes to getting smogged?

 

[sx sonic]

If i end up throwing a turbo on my 1.8 how much of a headache will I have when it comes to getting smogged?

A big one.

 

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Yup.

I plan to swap back to stock just to pass smog. Sucks.

 

[xsonicLTZx]

would it be more of a headache if I went with a 1.4t drop in and get the required DMV stickers? ugh..... such a pain..... wish this car didnt grow on me.