Gun thread (pictures)

[mitdr774]

I usually keep a 9mm or .357 sig ready for home use. Carry would usually be a .380 in summer time, and now either a small 9 or small .40. I dont live in a bad area, but have had a few nights where someone was trying to jar my front door to see if it would open.

All I have for the shot gun is birdshot and I refuse to use a 5.56/.223 as an in home defense gun. I dont think any other of my rifles, with the exception of my Remington 597, would make very good defense guns either. Well I suppose a .458 Win. Mag. with 500 gr. solid bullets might work, but only from the flash and concussion from the blast stopping them. That thing is a beast to shoot.

 

[rdss]

Shot guns are the best home defense you can buy (a rifle as well if you're not worried about over penetration vs mag capacity). They say a hand gun is only to fight to a long gun. The shorter the barrel of the shot gun the better but you lose capacity.

Carry, I wouldn't go with anything smaller than a 9mm. Yeah, the 380 works but with the availability of ultra compact 9mm's (tons of options) and even 45ACP (SA XDs) why put yourself at a disadvantage from the get go.

 

[mitdr774]

With teh exception of my 597 and AR none of my rifles hold more than maybe 5 rounds. I think the .458 has room for two in the magazine. I guess a M98 based Mauser was never intended for high capacity and large caliber.

I think all of my bolt action rifles would way over penetrate. The weakest would probably be the 6.5x55 Swedish.

I am comfortable with using a hand gun as home defense. If 27 rounds of .357 sig or 31 rounds of 9mm isnt enough, a shot gun wont do much good.

 

[rdss]

Yep, I can shoot quite well and am more than comfortable with one for home defense. But the guy asking "What would be the best weapon for home defense?" in Chevy Sonic forum probably hasn't been shooting as long as we have and/or are military trained like an even smaller group of us. For point and shoot at 0200 when you're disoriented and being woken up even the best of us my not be able to shoot that 5" or smaller group at 15 yards like we can at 1100 at the range. And running your high speed 9mm and 357sig rounds in a house brings you back into the over penetration of a rifle the first time you pull the trigger whether you are running a 9 round or 31 round magazine.

But, like cars.... Guns are another personal preference with a higher consequence for those that do not know how to properly use them.

 

[mitdr774]

I dont think a 9 or 357 will make it clear through my house and through the brick wall. Both use 124gr bullets. The 9mm is somewhere around 1200 FPS, but not from the gun I have (barrel is about an inch shorter than what was used for testing) an the .357 sig is rated for 1450 FPS from the gun I have. Compared to my slowest rifle at 2100 FPS, I think I stand a better chance of not going through to many walls with the handgun vs the rifles.

A lot comes down to what you are comfortable with, confident with, and can legally use. While I do feel that a shotgun with proper loads would be the best option, I do not have proper loads or a short barreled shotgun. Im not going to swing an 870 express around in my house. Might only be a 20ga, but its still not practical in its current configuration for home defense. I think a short barreled side by side would be a good home gun. easy to use, store, and get the job done. I would like to think that even if both shots end up being poor it would be enough to stop a person.

 

[rdss]

Exactly, it's all about what you like, what you're comfortable with, can afford and need. A Mossberg 500 w/ 18.5" barrel and a collapsable or folding stock is not to long in a home, my 20" is pushing it but I have a Black Hawk Spec Ops II stock that collapses down a good 2 1/2-3" making back the extra 1.5" in the barrel and then some. And the 9 or 357, making it through one wall is a liability and you could be taking a family member to the emergency room or morgue. I know you know this and have clearly thought about the consequences, this is more or less for the people that may not be thinking about what will happen when you pull the trigger in your house to put down an intruder in the door way of your room not knowing when you miss you need to know whats in the room on the other side of the wall you just shot at. This is even more of a concern when defending yourself in public.

 

[SonicMan]

Don't assume 9mm doesn't over penetrate, the secret service stopped using 9mm with over penetration as the main reason

 

[sonic hotness]

Never shot a gun or anything... this is my first house with my wife and 1 year old would just like some defense

 

[Kuntryboy865]

Never shot a gun or anything... this is my first house with my wife and 1 year old would just like some defense

If you decide to get a firearm no matter what it is make sure you practice with it. Go out and shoot it as much as you can. and preferably take a defensive firearm class. Having a gun is not enough learning how to use it is key. Even if you can't get out to shoot you can practice dry fire drills and proper safety techniques.

 

[Creature]

anyone in NC want a hunting shot gun? its a browning gold shotgun 12 guage National Wild turkey federation team gun I'm throwing on gunbroker but wanted to see if anyone local would be interested first. I don't hunt as much as I'd like and can justify it anymore. any takers?

 

[mitdr774]

I live by myself, so im not worried about a family member in another room. That being said, once I do have a family great care will be taken to ensure their safety.

A 9mm isnt going to make it through three interior walls and then a brick faced exterior wall. As with anything, a poor shot will go where it was not intended to. What was teh secret service using for 9mm ammunition? If they used standard ball ammo, over penetration is not a surprise. I find it odd that many people complain about 9mm hollow points not penetrating at all and that you need something more powerful.

 

[rdss]

I also agree with using defense rounds in a home! You will have to worry about using "Kill Ammo" if you use it but it will open up and is safer to use in a home. I either use PDX-1 or a Hornady self defense ammo. I plan on stocking up on PDX-1 for the Mossberg, you can't beat a slug AND three 00 Buck BB's in one shell...... Golden Sabre is another great option. Anything but FMJ/ball ammo.

 

[sonic hotness]

Awesome info guys thanks

 

[Aldakoopa]

Something I'm confused about now... Special vs. Magnum rounds. Obviously the specials are shorter and weaker than the magnums, but there's .44 special and .44 magnum, which are the same caliber, of course, so therefor a .44 magnum can shoot both special or magnum ammo... but a .38 special and .357 magnum are apparently the same diameter as well, and a .357 magnum can shoot either ammunition... Why are the numbers different then?

 

[nocoolnames]

Something I'm confused about now... Special vs. Magnum rounds. Obviously the specials are shorter and weaker than the magnums, but there's .44 special and .44 magnum, which are the same caliber, of course, so therefor a .44 magnum can shoot both special or magnum ammo... but a .38 special and .357 magnum are apparently the same diameter as well, and a .357 magnum can shoot either ammunition... Why are the numbers different then?

38 and 357 actually the same, back in the day they rounded up the 38 spl for whatever reason and the name stuck. The bullet actually measures .357 not .38. The difference between magnum and special is the type and volume of powder. Magnums normally use longer barrels so they have slower burning powder than specials, the cases contain more powder as well. If ya compare a 38 and 357 or 44 sp and 44mag the cases are longer on the magnums due to the increased powder volume. The reason a magnum handgun can shoot specials is its designed to handle the stronger pressures of the mag cartridge at say 35k psi where as the special only puts out 25k psi.

 

[nocoolnames]

Great website for y'all to check out is "the box of truth". Old retired guy takes all kinds of guns and types of ammo and shoots all kinds of walls and objects to see what the penetration of different rounds is. The results will probably surprise you.

 

[doreo]

i picked up a 1911 for myself, tho i do want to grab a keltech for carry once i get that license

 

[nocoolnames]

i picked up a 1911 for myself, tho i do want to grab a keltech for carry once i get that license

Which keltec ya thinking about. I have the p-3at which is a 380 and while it's lite and concealable the thing is not pleasant to shoot, bites your hand every time. Their full size pistols are a lot more comfortable but to big to be a pocket pistol. Why not carry the 1911 they are nice and thin.

 

[Scarab1]

Been a few days since I checked this thread. I have shot the MP22 and really like the feel of it after my monster Mark2. She ran CCI MiniMag's for the first 400 rounds and we are going to give the Federals a run this weekend. I think as long as you don't use the Sub-sonic(no pun inteneded) any ammo will be fine in the MP22.
***My Mark2 DOES NOT CARE what I put in it! ***

I am not sure that I would ever get anything larger then a 22. I enjoy the cost/fun ratio.
My next purchase will most likely be a 10/22 takedown or the Charger.
I think I saw someone with a tricked 10/22 that included the bipod from the Charger! I am a ruger fan!

M&P22 feels just like a full size M&P with the exception that they do not have the interchangeable grip. Dont run cheap stuff through it. Mine loves the CCI stinger, but hates the Remington Golden Bullet. Seems as though higher velocity .22LR is what the gun prefers. That being said, its a rimfire and occasional fail to fire will happen. Usually if mine doesnt fire I put the round back in and try it a second time. Also, CCI stinger fresh from the chamber going down the back of your shirt is NOT fun. Those little bastards get hot.

If you look in the picture i posted the middle column is top to bottom M&P22, M&P9c, and M&P40 Shield. Makes an okay comparrison of size between them.

 

[doreo]

The 1911 is huge compared to the keltrch. The 380 is what i want i think. I fire my friends some and love it for a little gun and far easier on my hands then the 1911

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